LOL! This car uses stock 5EFHE cams with a ported/polished head and larger throttle body and revs to 7300RPM. There is another car with similar forged internals plus headwork and Web cams and it makes 363WHP @ 28PSI also revving to 7300RPM. These cars are daily driven.
who runs aftermarket ecu's?
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LOL! This car uses stock 5EFHE cams with a ported/polished head and larger throttle body and revs to 7300RPM. There is another car with similar forged internals plus headwork and Web cams and it makes 363WHP @ 28PSI also revving to 7300RPM. These cars are daily driven.
Toyota T23
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Well ofcourse you can use it daily, orthervise you didnn't tune it right.
But how long it will run, is anorther matter..
hardcoreep
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I don't distrust the local ECU tuners. The top two standalone tuners are my friends. One of which I respect absolutely as we go way back. One is going to install my Emanage, the other will be tuning it. My choice of the access was based on the reasons I gave earlier in this post.
but I thank you for the offer Artmull.
As for our figures, I don't think they're fantastic in comparison to what the JDM cars do. My Japanese friend thinks our numbers are crazy low because we use such big turbochargers.
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Cool beans!
hardcoreep
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Just to add, I'm friends with one of the top software ECU engineers in the island. We get together occassionaly and talk ECUs. I just gave him the EP91 ECU, but he can't find a complier for the Chip Toyota uses. As a matter of fact he'd never heard of the brand they use.
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As said above its not possibly to map a car just on EGT Temps, basicly all been covered all ready but yea put both together and you can get a decent tune, EGT is good for seeing some det.
Its each to there own on mapping but the pro's know whats the best way and the experienced people on here use the same method.
Its each to there own on mapping but the pro's know whats the best way and the experienced people on here use the same method.
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gorganl2000
Lifer
to my limited knowledge.....mapping of any set up......would/should not be solely based upon only ONE factor,,,as several variables come into play on any given set up..........
so although a tuner may have a preference for a particular factor,,,whether a/f, egt, intake temps, detonation noise, etc.........the tuner should/may still use the other factors to manipulate that chosen factor and the ultimate result (on which he/she tends to focus)
in short......nothing is done in isolation by someone who knows what they are doing
so although a tuner may have a preference for a particular factor,,,whether a/f, egt, intake temps, detonation noise, etc.........the tuner should/may still use the other factors to manipulate that chosen factor and the ultimate result (on which he/she tends to focus)
in short......nothing is done in isolation by someone who knows what they are doing
Aga
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those are amazing numbers artmull...
to me thats drag-racing numbers for such a small displacement car, making it crazy to drive, you know what i mean. its not like a 350hp impreza that you push and "its no big deal"... maybe we dont see the japanese making such big numbers often because drag racing is not as big over there as in usa... besides they got the big boys for dragging
i'm building a friend's glanza , he wants it for drag, with a greddy td05, and im gonna install a link ecu, its light years away from the powerfc , and its got anti lag, (which he will need) and i dont know, but i might be able to use the launch control on it too...
to me thats drag-racing numbers for such a small displacement car, making it crazy to drive, you know what i mean. its not like a 350hp impreza that you push and "its no big deal"... maybe we dont see the japanese making such big numbers often because drag racing is not as big over there as in usa... besides they got the big boys for dragging
i'm building a friend's glanza , he wants it for drag, with a greddy td05, and im gonna install a link ecu, its light years away from the powerfc , and its got anti lag, (which he will need) and i dont know, but i might be able to use the launch control on it too...
gorganl2000
Lifer
yeah it is......just by simply looking at its features and capabilities......that's why i said throughout this tread.........all standalones are not created equal.....they are okish standalones and then there are top of the line standalones
if anyone realy plans to go the standalone route......i figure they might as well do it properly
Gee
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if anyone realy plans to go the standalone route......i figure they might as well do it properly
Don't agree with that comment. Especially with past discussion around price and features that most people will not need..like anti lag and launch control etc.
gorganl2000
Lifer
should have explained myself a litle better.......i dont really mean price wise......i mean more so ----tunig maps/resolutions wise......some standalones have better extrapolation than other and much more clarity for tuning in there maps........hope u understand where i'm coming from now.........not in relation to features such as antilag, etc......those are user benefits for those who need them.....
Guye
Lifer
It seem like "doing it properly" is defined more in terms of the goals/needs of the user rather than the specs of the ecu. As the tuning needs differ so do the choice of ecu, e.g. installing a rrfpr & safc2 to make sure your pistons don't melt from increased boost...crude? Yes. Properly done according to present needs? Yes. As the user's goals/needs increases, so must the capabilities of the engine management. Once your choice of ecu can cope "properly" with your current needs, it's well done IMO.
Gee
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And these standalones you are referring to are they generally more expensive to purchase?
Still...you have a standalone and dont appear to have gone 'all out' and got the best out there.
gorganl2000
Lifer
no...i dont have a standalone.....i have a preprogramme ecu (JAM)
no i have not gone all out........else i would have bought a "proper" standalone
i did like u........i got an "in-between" item to do my job........just mine did not require tuning by a mapper when i got it---in fact it cant be tuned by just any tuner
again i repeat.........a proper standalone does not have to be expensive BUT most of them usually are
.....like i said before and will repeat again...i define a "proper" standalone as one which is well capable of high resolution mapping and can extrapolate very quickly based on circumstancesto help u understand what i'm getting at........i would prefer something with a 32*32 mapping matrix........than something with a 16*16 mapping matrix..........it allows for a better tune across the board----do u get what i'm saying now?........i would prefer something that has been known to be well built than something with cheap components which tend to fail a lot faster (do u remember when emanage had a chip that used to move out of place?)
i dont have a purpose built engine......so i dont need a proper standalone......i dont even need a "okish" one
now think about it........if u were/are going to spend $$$ to forge up your engine, do head work, run a bigger turbo, etc.........we all know that costs a lot of $$$$......then's its a natural assumption that one would want the best for that set up right?!?!
every single standalone allows for independent tunability......but some are more tunable than others and dont have to compromise
so apart from fancy features (antilag, launch control, etc).......which we all agree are dependent on user needs ........all standalones are not created equal
your choice was to use a PFC,,,,,,,which works for u:rockon:
if i went standalone,,,,,,,,that would not be my choice:rockon:
so i'm not dissing one and glorifying the other........buy what suits your needs still applies.........
BUT for me (IMO) i would want one of the top of the line one
Gee
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What we want and what our budgets can stretch to or what we are willing to spend are different things.
If you have tuners in your area or even country that are not familiar or dont have much experience with what you call a proper standalone, then is it still the best option to purchase this ECU rather than another standalone your tuner or country has years of experience with? After all, they do say they are only as good as the tuner.
A standalone is a standalone..The mapping matrix that you have been mentioned may be superior on other standalones, some have more features and are more capable. Doesnt make the standalone with less features not a 'proper' standalone does it?
I aint glorifying the Apexi or standalones either, I just dont agree with some of the comments you are making.
I see where you are coming in your comments above thou.
If you have tuners in your area or even country that are not familiar or dont have much experience with what you call a proper standalone, then is it still the best option to purchase this ECU rather than another standalone your tuner or country has years of experience with? After all, they do say they are only as good as the tuner.
A standalone is a standalone..The mapping matrix that you have been mentioned may be superior on other standalones, some have more features and are more capable. Doesnt make the standalone with less features not a 'proper' standalone does it?
I aint glorifying the Apexi or standalones either, I just dont agree with some of the comments you are making.
I see where you are coming in your comments above thou.
gorganl2000
Lifer
u see newguye.....the problem we have here is the definition of "properly"
its a relative term.....which means it varies from person to person......so my understanding of "proper" may well vary from yours, gee's , etc-----as apparently it does
and i know that you newguye know very well (based on knowing me)......when i say properly........i refer to a very high standard
u see this statement here u made """"""""It seem like "doing it properly" is defined more in terms of the goals/needs of the user rather than the specs of the ecu"""""""""
u are implying that ...the goals/needs of the user > (are greater than) than the specs of the ecu
i'm saying that ......the goals/needs of the user <= (must be less than or equal to) than the specs of the ecu.........else u will have to compromise
for me (IMO)...""""some standalones are the equivalent of a OEM ecu and emanage combined""""".............what do u all think of that statement
let's see if that stirs up some discussion
lol
Gee
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some standalones are the equivalent of a OEM ecu and emanage combined""""".............what do u all think of that statement
For example?