why is idrees banned?

[GTti]

Some good points made Dane. I also think that a mini traders account is a great idea, I would even be prepared to pay the full traders fee as that is not exactly massive. With mini traders we would generally supply used parts which is something most of the current traders don't supply.

Personally I do think that thus is something that would benefit the members, generate more funds for the forum and I do feel that descretion could be used when granting a mini trader account such as long standing members who obviously haven't joined the forum to sell their wares.

The simple solution is to sell a few items here and there on this forum, we do not have a problem with people selling in moderation. We're not saying you can't list items here, you can, but don't abuse it (And yes this is defined at our discretion). The rest of your items you can sell on eBay and pay for using the service.

We'd hope most people know when they're beginning to abuse the classified forums. When we find people breaking car upon car, or selling the same item over, you have to ask, are they really doing it for the members or to earn themselves some easy cash without paying advertising charges?

If people need an item, they may find it here, if not they will find it on eBay.

The last and most important point is that we owe our registered traders a prospective home here, we want them to do well. That won't happen if we let every man and his dog sell here.

 

[gv1.3]

Your mising ricks point in the first place mate, the point was he had more than a few items to sell and was told you cant do that because your not a trader, he applied for trader account and was refused - the guys been a member for YEARS yet falls foul of the whole trader thing.. he has been refused trader account, he actually isnt a trader and then cant sell the things as a private individual because hes told hes trading - applies as a trader and gets declined.. can you see the loop developing thats what we are on about!

Neal I think you are missing the point mate.

Rick was selling multiple parts which is trading. We advised that if he wanted to become a trader he could apply for a trader position. Being a long term member does not guarantee a trading position. We gave him the opportunity to outline his business plan and it wasnt sufficient to gain a trading position.

If Rick wants to sell any existing parts he has then he is 110% entitled to, I and no other member of this site would like to see him stuck with parts. But if he buys more and tries to sell them on to members that is trading... you appear to think that because someone has been on here a while they get a trading position if they want one... that is incorrect.

So Neal you tell us the solution mate. Should we just give anyone that wants a trader position one? and when no trader can make money and they all leave the site how do you propose we get people who cannot make any money to develop and supply parts to the community? Seriously mate this has been well thought out despite what you might think.

 

[Corey_gt]

Your mising ricks point in the first place mate, the point was he had more than a few items to sell and was told you cant do that because your not a trader, he applied for trader account and was refused - the guys been a member for YEARS yet falls foul of the whole trader thing.. he has been refused trader account, he actually isnt a trader and then cant sell the things as a private individual because hes told hes trading - applies as a trader and gets declined.. can you see the loop developing thats what we are on about!

So we'll just bend the rules this once is that what you're saying? Rules are rules thats the bottom line fair enough Rick got cought out by them but tbh thats life shit happens build a bridge and get over it.

An example has to be set and casualties are to be expected thats just the way it is..

 

[Texx]

The classifieds forum is for members to sell on items they own that they no longer require any more, not for members to sell on items they've acquired at a lesser amount with an aim in selling on to make a profit i.e trading.

For example:
A classifieds situation; you've bought a new set of wheels for your car so you want to sell on your old set as you no longer require them.
A trading situation; you've bought a set of wheels cheap for £100 and want to try and sell them on for £250 with an aim in making £150 profit from the sale.

Do you see the difference. You need to think of the classifieds forum as a place that allows you to sell on your unwanted items rather than a form of Ebay with no seller fee's.

 

[gv1.3]

sorry lads I have to head out now. this is an open forum so feel free to voice your opinion. We do take all suggestions onboard for consideration but keep in mind that ultimately what is good for the site and its members is what matters most. The classifieds section works extremely well for the majority and our current method for selecting traders means there is more variety and cheaper prices than ever before for our cars, so despite what you might think we actively attempt to do the right thing for the long term good.

Off out talk later.

 

[smythy75]

idrees is a trusted member, can he not get a trading status?

 

[GTti]

Neal I think you are missing the point mate.

Rick was selling multiple parts which is trading. We advised that if he wanted to become a trader he could apply for a trader position. Being a long term member does not guarantee a trading position. We gave him the opportunity to outline his business plan and it wasnt sufficient to gain a trading position.

If Rick wants to sell any existing parts he has then he is 110% entitled to, I and no other member of this site would like to see him stuck with parts. But if he buys more and tries to sell them on to members that is trading... you appear to think that because someone has been on here a while they get a trading position if they want one... that is incorrect.

So Neal you tell us the solution mate. Should we just give anyone that wants a trader position one? and when no trader can make money and they all leave the site how do you propose we get people who cannot make any money to develop and supply parts to the community? Seriously mate this has been well thought out despite what you might think.

That's amazing how you said what I've said but in completely different words

 

[Texx]

idrees is a trusted member, can he not get a trading status?

Idrees applied, it was discussed, it was declined. However there is no reason Idress cannot apply again in the future. The same goes for anyone else that has had a traders application declined.

 

[Rick]

But different levels of trading work on other forums very well. Look at the MLR and you will find a section for platinum traders, another section for gold traders and then another section for silver traders. Obviously all of those traders pay different amounts from making a living from it to a little bit on the side to help pay for the occasional mod. It all works very well there and I don't really see why it can't work on here.

 

[www.glanza.co.uk]

People will always have reason to disagree with rules... Just because it fits for one person, doesn't mean it fits for another. Does that make it wrong though? No. We have to abide by a policy one here, and as mods, we have to have a rule to adhere to. Just because some people think that their circumstances are different, doesn't mean that it's either correct, or in the best interests of the forum.

It's disappointing that people continue to criticise the policy that we enforce. Given the opportunity to be on the other side of the fence, I wonder how they would survive with doing their daily routine whilst trying to create a fair and harmonious existence on here?

One rule does fit all, because, at the end of the day, we are a community, enforced by people who effectively volunteer to enforce the rules. We need rules as much as the people on the other side, and to criticise us who volunteer our time for enforcing these rules is tantamount to agreeing with those who break the rules. We try in all our efforts to be fair, so please, try and consider the rules from our side of the fence. They may not fit with your thoughts or ideology, but does that make them unjust and unfair? Think long and hard before you answer...

 

[Derek]

If traders forums were given to every joe soap that applied for it, how would the forum be able to develop and evolve. We wouldn't attract any new traders with new idea's, products etc.. they would just see a forum swamped with people trading and look elsewhere id imagine as there would be no benefit to them trying to establish themselves. Also the forum would be a mess if every second person could trade. Someone puts a wanted thread for example "wheels wanted" up you'd have everyone competing to make a sale which would snowball out of control leading to arguments fights etc imo. and in turn would probs put of new members joining as they would see the forum as a bunch of people trying to make a quick buck and not as an entusiast club.

 

[bucketep91]

But different levels of trading work on other forums very well. Look at the MLR and you will find a section for platinum traders, another section for gold traders and then another section for silver traders. Obviously all of those traders pay different amounts from making a living from it to a little bit on the side to help pay for the occasional mod. It all works very well there and I don't really see why it can't work on here.

that^^^ in theory does sound like a good idea but whats to stop people being a silver trader then taking advantage because they have trader status and start sellig more than the gold trader, then we have another thread like this asking why a silver trader was banned and gold traders arguing that they are paying more than the silver trader but selling less.

i can rememer idrees breakers threads and i, like every1 on here including some mods went into the thread to see what we could have for our selves because lets face it every1 loves a breaker lol, i can remember dylan saying the last 1 was his third breaker this year and that people pay traders fees for that and idrees was taking the ppiss after that. but to deny him traders status after that comment is quite silly, after all how many people on here can say idrees has helped them out in the past? most of you? and some of the parts iv seen over on uksc he is having made up look great and hes doing a good service.it would benifit most people over here so i cant see the problem with giving him 1

 

[Texx]

Dylan doesn't make these decisions all by himself. These decisions are discussed between all staff members before any decision is finalised.

 

[Starlet_Sam]

Why is it anyones business apart from the man himself and the man who banned him? This forum will start to look like a copy of fuckin Heat magazine.

 

[GT_Irl]

People will always have reason to disagree with rules... Just because it fits for one person, doesn't mean it fits for another. Does that make it wrong though? No. We have to abide by a policy one here, and as mods, we have to have a rule to adhere to. Just because some people think that their circumstances are different, doesn't mean that it's either correct, or in the best interests of the forum.

It's disappointing that people continue to criticise the policy that we enforce. Given the opportunity to be on the other side of the fence, I wonder how they would survive with doing their daily routine whilst trying to create a fair and harmonious existence on here?

One rule does fit all, because, at the end of the day, we are a community, enforced by people who effectively volunteer to enforce there rules. We need rules as much as the people on the other side, and to criticise us who volunteer our time for enforcing these rules is tantamount to agreeing with those who break the rules. We try in all our efforts to be fair, so please, try and consider the rules from our side of the fence. They may not fit with your thoughts or ideology, but does that make them unjust and unfair? Think long and hard before you answer...

I wouldent dare personally criticise the mods on this site as you guys give up your own free time too look after the site and ive been a member on tonnes of sites and TGTT is by far the best moderated site ive come across. I can see how a member could be seen too be undercuting a trader and yes that would be detrimental too everyone, if that starts happening and we start losing traders..not good! I just wonder if everyone (members wise) was given a limit of parts (number wise) they could sell in a week or a month, or would it be too hard too moderate? (i'd be happy too volunteer..lol!)!

I guess I was just shocked too see Iddy banned considering how much a part of TGTT he is but if he was warned like you say he was warned then he knew what was coming...

 

[GT_Irl]

Why is it anyones business apart from the man himself and the man who banned him? This forum will start to look like a copy of fuckin Heat magazine.

because I think the man opened a can of worms..lol!

 

[www.glanza.co.uk]

I guess I was just shocked too see Iddy banned considering how much a part of TGTT he is but if he was warned like you say he was warned then he knew what was coming...

Indeed... Just because someone posts a lot, and frequents the forum a lot, does that mean he should be given special treatment? We gave him the same room as everyone else (and some could argue that bit more), and he still ignored the fundamental rules. So, did he receive fair treatment? Decide for yourself...

 

[GT_Irl]

Indeed... Just because someone posts a lot, and frequents the forum a lot, does that mean he should be given special treatment? We gave him the same room as everyone else (and some could argue that bit more), and he still ignored the fundamental rules. So, did he receive fair treatment? Decide for yourself...

no no no no no..I did not mean it that way, c'mon I just said he was warned and he still broke the rules. He should know better...i thought I implied that by my previous post..?

 

[Franza1]

At the end of the day people, no one on this site ( including Moderators, Administrators ) is above the rules, if you break the rules once you are given a warning, if you break the rules twice you are given a sterner warning, if you continue to you'll face the punishment. We are more than fair when it comes down to it.

 

[GT_Irl]

At the end of the day people, no one on this site ( including Moderators, Administrators ) is above the rules, if you break the rules once you are given a warning, if you break the rules twice you are given a sterner warning, if you continue to you'll face the punishment. We are more than fair when it comes down to it.

Yes, I agree! I don't think anyone is suggesting that Iddy is above the rules, I think they are just surprised he didn't get trader status....