why is idrees banned?

[Dub-Se7en]

i can see the points raised in this thread but it can't be one rule for one, one rule for another. the rules are there to try and prevent people signing up just to sell their stuff also to try and protect the members from being ripped off by unknown/untrustworthy people.

unfortunately, some of the good guys are gonna get caught up and fall foul of these rules, and that's a shame, but it's gotta be i'm afraid, a necessary evil if you will

ian

 

[gv1.3]

I think your wrong, just because somebody has alot of parts to sell from their private stock doesnt make them a trader and your wrong to just assume that. Idree's isnt a registered trader but so what if he buys a few cars and splits them he should be entitled to sell what he wants so long as the buyer gets what they pay for why should it be a problem if they are fully aware that he is a private individual and not a trader?

Im also backing Rick with his point that he had more than a few bits and bobs to sell, you declined him trader status so where does that leave him and anybody else in that situation?

Me, Rick and Adaman are long standing members of this forum along with Dub7,G1.3 so we arent going to make these points out of stupidity are we fellas

If someone buys cars to break them and sell the parts to make a profit that is trading. You may think I am wrong but I do not see it as a case of me being right or wrong. This is a simple case of regulating the selling of parts on this website. We have absolutely no issue with people selling parts they have lying around the place or with people breaking their own car and selling the parts - that is what the classifieds is for.

We charge people for trading accounts on this site, it contributes to the running costs of TGTT if everyone that decides they want to sell parts for profit gets a trading position yes it will bring in lots of cash for the site but no trader will bother with a trading position again as too many traders dilutes the possibility of anyone actually making money. Instead of giving a trading position to anyone and everyone that requests one we put each application before the staff team for consdieration. The staff team is made up of a varied cross section of members and we get a broad list of pros and cons when we propose a new trader.

The decision to give a trading position or not is based upon the individual application. If the applicant offers the same service that multiple traders already offer or if they do not demonstrate anything that will benefit members of the forum they do not get a trading position. There is no restriction on the amount of times someone can apply and as stated above if someones business plan changes we would be delighted to hear from them and to consider their application again.

Our current list of traders is excellent but I personally think there is room for more. This does not mean we will accept anyone and everyone who applies it means that if someone applies with fresh ideas, fresh products, better prices or anything that actually benefits members then we will most probably give them a trial trader position.

I would also recommend that anyone applying for a trader position should be very careful about obeying the rules of the forum. If someone can not be trusted to stick to some simple rules then it does not reflect well upon their ability to abide by the rules we set for our traders.

 

[Dane_Bristol]

I can fully appreciate different peoples views and this comment i make is in no way taking sides merely adding something to the topic.

I can see where the mods are coming from when they say that although you can apply for a traders account the application process doesn't automatically give you a 100% guarantee that you will be granted a trader account. The thing is they do receive tonnes and tonnes of people who send forth requests for traders accounts and i am sure that as already said in other threads in the past they cannot just give everyone a Traders pass. Speaking as a trader personally it does not bother me in the absolute slightest if someone else was to become a trader and supply parts to the members, in fact i would give them my support in the matter.

I just think its difficult for them to grant traders accounts if the service is not going to be out of the ordinary or what is already being offered by the traders already on the forum, again the more traders the better some might say in some circumstances it can promote good competition in the field but as the traders on the site already offer such brilliant prices there is very little room for someone to provide a more bespoke service than what already exists if that makes sense.

I know there are lots of people who have been long standing members on this site and can see exactly where they are coming from with regards to wanting to provide a service to the members. Perhaps a mini traders account as already mentioned in the other thread would be a good idea for the likes of people who would like to pursue and sell dumpvalves, breaking cars etc..

Again its just a suggestion but i feel that some people could be accomodated with a mini traders account but we all have to respect the mods views.

 

[Rick]

Some good points made Dane. I also think that a mini traders account is a great idea, I would even be prepared to pay the full traders fee as that is not exactly massive. With mini traders we would generally supply used parts which is something most of the current traders don't supply.

Personally I do think that thus is something that would benefit the members, generate more funds for the forum and I do feel that descretion could be used when granting a mini trader account such as long standing members who obviously haven't joined the forum to sell their wares.

I can fully appreciate different peoples views and this comment i make is in no way taking sides merely adding something to the topic.

I can see where the mods are coming from when they say that although you can apply for a traders account the application process does automatically give you a 100% guarantee that you will be granted a trader account. The thing is they do receive tonnes and tonnes of people who send forth requests for traders accounts and i am sure that as already said in other threads in the past they cannot just give everyone a Traders pass. Speaking as a trader personally it does not bother me in the absolute slightest if someone else was to become a trader and supply parts to the members, in fact i would give them my support in the matter.

I just think its difficult for them to grant traders accounts if the service is not going to be out of the ordinary or what is already being offered by the traders already on the forum, again the more traders the better some might say in some circumstances it can promote good competition in the field but as the traders on the site already offer such brilliant prices there is very little room for someone to provide a more bespoke service than what already exists if that makes sense.

I know there are lots of people who have been long standing members on this site and can see exactly where they are coming from with regards to wanting to provide a service to the members. Perhaps a mini traders account as already mentioned in the other thread would be a good idea for the likes of people who would like to pursue and sell dumpvalves, breaking cars etc..

Again its just a suggestion but i feel that some people could be accomodated with a mini traders account but we all have to respect the mods views.

 

[Mike_ep91]

i can see the points raised in this thread but it can't be one rule for one, one rule for another. the rules are there to try and prevent people signing up just to sell their stuff also to try and protect the members from being ripped off by unknown/untrustworthy people.

unfortunately, some of the good guys are gonna get caught up and fall foul of these rules, and that's a shame, but it's gotta be i'm afraid, a necessary evil if you will

ian

couldnt of put it better.

 

[GT_Irl]

Some good points made Dane. I also think that a mini traders account is a great idea, I would even be prepared to pay the full traders fee as that is not exactly massive. With mini traders we would generally supply used parts which is something most of the current traders don't supply.

Personally I do think that thus is something that would benefit the members, generate more funds for the forum and I do feel that descretion could be used when granting a mini trader account such as long standing members who obviously haven't joined the forum to sell their wares.

Makes sense too me! Good input!

 

[Rick]

couldnt of put it better.

But why should it be one rule for all? Everybody's situation is different and with members who have been on here for years are obviously not signing upto the forum just to sell their wares. Why should they lose out due to a blanket rule?

 

[gv1.3]

Some good points made Dane. I also think that a mini traders account is a great idea, I would even be prepared to pay the full traders fee as that is not exactly massive. With mini traders we would generally supply used parts which is something most of the current traders don't supply.

Personally I do think that thus is something that would benefit the members, generate more funds for the forum and I do feel that descretion could be used when granting a mini trader account such as long standing members who obviously haven't joined the forum to sell their wares.

And then if we used our discretion about who got a "mini trader" account we would end up with a thread similar to this with people who were turned down for a "mini trader" account wanting us to offer "micro trading" accounts.

Can I ask a question Rick - what can you offer that I cannot already get from a current trader on TGTT? I am not trying to shit stir here mate but I think its important that we clear this up.

 

[glanza_dan]

At the end off the day rules are rules it seem its fair.

 

[Corey_gt]

But why should it be one rule for all? Everybody's situation is different and with members who have been on here for years are obviously not signing upto the forum just to sell their wares. Why should they lose out due to a blanket rule?

It should be one rule for all if it was'nt then it would'nt be a rule. The length of time you've been a member on here is totally irrelevant to this situation.

Imo this 'mini trading' would be just for people with mickey mouse operations to sell parts to make money off members backs without having a trading account.

 

[Starlet_Sam]

How would you even define a mini trading account? I can see that being a full time job for a mod, I'm certainly too lazy to do that job.

 

[kirky1]

if hes a trustworthy seller why not let him sell? seems simple enough to me, theres far too many rules in the world today and too many people who care more about the rules than other human beings

 

[Derek]

What's the big deal? the rules are there for a reason idrees was warned and warned and he abused them so he got a ban. rules are put there for a reason and people who break them get punished it happens in all walks of life. Its not a personal vendetta against him. The rules are there stop the likes of akki and sham getting on the forum ripping members off.

 

[Rick]

And then if we used our discretion about who got a "mini trader" account we would end up with a thread similar to this with people who were turned down for a "mini trader" account wanting us to offer "micro trading" accounts.

Can I ask a question Rick - what can you offer that I cannot already get from a current trader on TGTT? I am not trying to shit stir here mate but I think its important that we clear this up.

I don't think you're trying to shit stir mate, it's good to be able to discuss this in an open forum.

I never claimed to be unique with what I offer as I am aware that a couple of the traders offer used parts but I did provide a very quick service and I give aftercare as well. Personally I feel that such a service can only be a good thing for the members. Plus if people didn't like what I offered nobody would buy anything from me. Obviously they didn't see the dame products for sale with the traders.

Again Dylan it's very difficult to get points accross in writing without accasionally sounding sarcastic. Please be aware that I was not at all being sarcastic and I am just trying to make some valid points.

 

[Corey_gt]

if hes a trustworthy seller why not let him sell? seems simple enough to me, theres far too many rules in the world today and too many people who care more about the rules than other human beings

If there were no rules the world would'nt work mate.

 

[Neal]

And then if we used our discretion about who got a "mini trader" account we would end up with a thread similar to this with people who were turned down for a "mini trader" account wanting us to offer "micro trading" accounts.

Can I ask a question Rick - what can you offer that I cannot already get from a current trader on TGTT? I am not trying to shit stir here mate but I think its important that we clear this up.

Your mising ricks point in the first place mate, the point was he had more than a few items to sell and was told you cant do that because your not a trader, he applied for trader account and was refused - the guys been a member for YEARS yet falls foul of the whole trader thing.. he has been refused trader account, he actually isnt a trader and then cant sell the things as a private individual because hes told hes trading - applies as a trader and gets declined.. can you see the loop developing thats what we are on about!

 

[Sheldon]

if hes a trustworthy seller why not let him sell? seems simple enough to me, theres far too many rules in the world today and too many people who care more about the rules than other human beings

i have nothing against idrees.

but i think what the mods are saying is preety simple.

if they let idrees sell like he is doing... they have to let others.. and going round the rules that they made.

also there are people paying for a traders account here and then someone without a trading account and paying just a small user fee and selling whatever he wants!

i dont think a trading account is cheap...

 

[gv1.3]

if hes a trustworthy seller why not let him sell? seems simple enough to me, theres far too many rules in the world today and too many people who care more about the rules than other human beings

that is a very simplistic view of this matter mate. If we give a trading forum to anyone and everyone who asks for one we end up with nobody making money. If nobody is making money they go out of business. If everyone goes out of business we end up with no parts being developed or supplied.

The easy thing for us to do is give trading positions to everyone that wants one... the difficult thing to do is putting effort in to reviewing applications and hand picking traders that benefit the community.

 

[Mike_ep91]

But why should it be one rule for all? Everybody's situation is different and with members who have been on here for years are obviously not signing upto the forum just to sell their wares. Why should they lose out due to a blanket rule?

rules are rules and its as simple as that.if rules were different for everyone then how would that be fair.

 

[Sheldon]

rules are rules and its as simple as that.if rules were different for everyone then how would that be fair.

and not even called rules.