Phil
Super Moderator
blitz jam etc etc do need remapped but you cant do that.. so you'll eventually end up selling the blitz or similar and paying for a emanage so id just head that direction from the start.
Phil
Blitz access ecu
- Thread starter wee-jo
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blitz jam etc etc do need remapped but you cant do that.. so you'll eventually end up selling the blitz or similar and paying for a emanage so id just head that direction from the start.
Phil
agreed - sorry didnt explain myself properly, i was referring to little things like decat, filter etc, just reset the battery and let it relearn the fuelling and should be fine, however for a final map, you cnat get better than a piggybck...roll on my ultimate
Phil
Super Moderator
yeah i know dan, think it was CMR who mentioned that if your changed to a hybrid you'd just need to reset the ecu... which may work in alot of cases but it not guaranteed :/
ive seen jamblitzmines etc that work well with hybrids td04s k24's etc. but you cant expect them to work, your just hoping! ive seen a jam that was rich on stock injectors and fuel pressure with a td04 and a blitz that ran lean even with upped fuel pressure on a k24. its hit and miss.
Phil
ive seen jamblitzmines etc that work well with hybrids td04s k24's etc. but you cant expect them to work, your just hoping! ive seen a jam that was rich on stock injectors and fuel pressure with a td04 and a blitz that ran lean even with upped fuel pressure on a k24. its hit and miss.
Phil
Sheldon
Malta Area Rep.
but when you put for example a much bigger turbo will the jam ecu fuel fine? 99.9% it will not give you the best output in power and still being safe! im sure its like it has some maps and the ecu will find the "best" one as if it will totaly work on its own im sure there will be no other aftermarket ecus and jam etc still do them!
also most of the time they are advertised as "mapped for hybrid running 1.1 bar" and where did they get the information? from the previous owner! are you sure he really knew what it was mapped for?
True its all based on 2nd hand info with no proof to back it up, unless the owner in japland knows and he tells you.lol
97'GlanzaVTurbo
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I really like the Jam,Blitz etc because of the convience of them also they give you good gains and some extra features like timing, removes fuel cut, raise rev limit and seem to produce good power.
Well mines seems to be going alright anyway no one is doubting that you will get a better tune out of a EMU etc however they do cost more, you would need a tuner you can trust and have to remap everytime you change parts.
Well my Jam ECU with standard manifold,CAT in place, blowout in the exhaust, air filter in stock location and boosting around 0.9bar made 164BHP and 175 Torque. We shall see what it makes now with mild steel manifold, decat, exhaust fixed, 1 bar boost, air filter relocated and new clutch:drive:
Even the boy on the rolling road said it ran slightly rich but I would prefer that to getting some muppet who doesnt know what he is doing and maps it too lean and fucks your engine with a emanage.
When the time comes and I want more power I will get a EMU no doubt about it as I have Chris to map over here but you need someone you can trust to map the car but for now the JAM is doing alright.
Christy
Christy
Well mines seems to be going alright anyway no one is doubting that you will get a better tune out of a EMU etc however they do cost more, you would need a tuner you can trust and have to remap everytime you change parts.
Well my Jam ECU with standard manifold,CAT in place, blowout in the exhaust, air filter in stock location and boosting around 0.9bar made 164BHP and 175 Torque. We shall see what it makes now with mild steel manifold, decat, exhaust fixed, 1 bar boost, air filter relocated and new clutch:drive:
Even the boy on the rolling road said it ran slightly rich but I would prefer that to getting some muppet who doesnt know what he is doing and maps it too lean and fucks your engine with a emanage.
When the time comes and I want more power I will get a EMU no doubt about it as I have Chris to map over here but you need someone you can trust to map the car but for now the JAM is doing alright.
Christy
Christy
Thats a nice result you have there, will be very interesting to see what it comes out at now as mine made 191 on a stock ct9 you running a hybrid or stock?
Having my fuelling tweeked next wkend so i might get abit more out of it and now im not running a bov and im getting a better low end response (didnt realise how much lag they create) so might get more torque aswell with some luck
Most people base what they are mapped on for what car they came over on. I am selling mine advertised as NOT knowing what it was mapped for. However It has worked more than fine on a completely standard engine at stock boost, and my current spec at 1 bar on a hybrid. For the record I produced 155bhp / 147torque @ the wheels with my JAM ECU but my timing amongst a few other thigs isnt right so the car is underperforming.
At the end of the day people seem to expect alot more from them, I bought one as I cannot justify getting the car mapped all the time. i am under no illusion that if i did go for a standalone or piggyback i might be able to get a better result, but for the hassle its not worth it for me.
We can argue or debate all we want, the japanese tuning companies knew the capablities of the tec rom reader which is in all the JDM ecu's and in most cases it performs well but i do accept some ECU's from japan do not run properly!
Sheldon
Malta Area Rep.
thats a nriliant figure!! 175 tourque with just an ecu!! maybe it was maped for a ct9 ?
who knows!
Phil
Super Moderator
but you dont know until you get a wideband on the car how its running.
people stick jam/mines/blitz ecus on cars and "assume" they will be just fine which is daft.
agreed though a mapped piggyback is only as good as the tuner, its worth noting though that alot of tuners will tune it slightly rich just to insure that nothing goes pop.
my point is, you more likely to have a problem running a blitz ecu if you just assume it'll "sort" out your fuelling issues,
id rather pay to get a emanage mapped. once its mapped, tweaking the map as you add mods isnt the most expensive thing in the world, especially compared to the engine rebuild that could follow someone that just hopes there preprogrammed ecu will just sort itself out.
Phil
btw im not suggesting that you are the type of guy that just hopes for the best as you clearly have been to get it checked out.
97'GlanzaVTurbo
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Thats a nice result you have there, will be very interesting to see what it comes out at now as mine made 191 on a stock ct9 you running a hybrid or stock?
Having my fuelling tweeked next wkend so i might get abit more out of it and now im not running a bov and im getting a better low end response (didnt realise how much lag they create) so might get more torque aswell with some luck
Thats with a stock CT9, exactly how the car came from Japan. I was please with the result as Type R Civics where only making 170BHP and very low torque on the same dyno so the dyno seemed to be very accurate also the guy running the dyno was really happy with it.
Yeah cant wait myself to see my new result think im going to heatwrap the manifold the whole way back to the back box and heat reflective tape on all the FMIC piping etc and see how it goes.
Then after that you Hybrid and see what happens:haha:
Christy
97'GlanzaVTurbo
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thats a nriliant figure!! 175 tourque with just an ecu!! maybe it was maped for a ct9 ?
Well that was the way it came from Japan so who knows. The car also came with extremely low mileage of 35000miles when I imported it from Japan.
Christy
97'GlanzaVTurbo
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Completely agree with you, even though I had mine on the dyno and its running rich I still worry about it especially sent I had to reset the ECU when I fitted a new manifold and decat. But the manifold cracked so im going to have to do it all again when I get my new one fitted and then run it in. I believe the ones that come in and make the car fail are just faulty the same as anything else going in the car, also if the car isnt setup right then you are asking for trouble.
We shall see how much they learn when I get it dyo's again as the ECU will be reset twice and alot of breathing mods added so it will ahve to adapt sufficently to make good power. Also going back on the same dyno again so I can get a like for like comparsion none of this one dyno prints out 180BHP and another prints out 190BHP at least with the same dyno you know exactly how much improvement you have made.
I really want to break 200BHP on the standard CT9 but cant see it happening without headwork and would say I would need a piggyback but want to make it with the JAM, optimistic I know but it will be worth a go.haha.:haha:
This arguement could go on all day.lol. But personally I think they are worth the price they are selling for aslong as you get a good one which you will know iof the member has a rolling road result to go with it.
Christy
Sheldon
Malta Area Rep.
oh she came with the ecu? so its a very good chance that the ecu was mapped on that particular car! thats why the very good result! i would be very happy with a car like that!
97'GlanzaVTurbo
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Yeah I would say nearly 100% sure going by the low mileage and the fact that the seller in Japan didnt know about it that the ECU was mapped for my car. But a question some of you may answer or debate about when I reset it do you think it will adapt better as it was orginally mapped on the car or does it lose all settings? Im sure I will find out when I rolling road it again anyway:rockon:
Christy
Sheldon
Malta Area Rep.
i cant see it loose any settings as if you need to remove the battrey you have to go and map it again in japland?? it woulnt make any sense!!
you can only answer that question only! do the mods and RR the bitch
97'GlanzaVTurbo
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i cant see it loose any settings as if you need to remove the battrey you have to go and map it again in japland?? it woulnt make any sense!!
you can only answer that question only! do the mods and RR the bitch
Yeah suppose, will have it all finished hopefully in two weeks then get it booked back in for a rolling road and see whats happening. Then a month or so down the line try the JAM with a hybrid and see how see performs.:drive:
Christy