Crank shaft!?

terrygtturbo

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The big end bearings have gone on my starlet, the crank shaft is badly scored, can I get this re ground and new bearings to suit? As some people tell me some cranks cannot be re ground? If so where can I get another one from? Cheers!!!
 

HYBRID

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ask ur engineer how much he is going to remove then tell me :) i supply acl bearings & can get them in sizes from std to 0.25, 0.5 & 0.75 oversize.

let me know mate.

thanks
kon
 

finx

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Bare in mind that if it is for a high performance engine you are better off getting a replacement crankshaft as once its ground it looses allot of its hardened strength on the journals and overall durability.

for a stock or near stock unstressed bottom end then it will be fine to have it reground.

as kon has said as your engine reconditioner on advice on how much it needs to be reground if it passes hardness crack and truness tests, then order corresponding oversize replacement parts.





cheers
Ryan
 
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terrygtturbo

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I'm running 220bhp, will this be too much for a re-grind? Also who suplys crankshafts, STD or updated? I have searched the Internet and could not find any?! Cheers tom
 

billybob

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I'm running 220bhp, will this be too much for a re-grind? Also who suplys crankshafts, STD or updated? I have searched the Internet and could not find any?! Cheers tom

should be ok ive seen a few reground cranks run over that power still going
 

terrygtturbo

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Cheers mate, any rough idea how much for a regrind and bearings? Already have the engine out + in bits on the bench! But havnt Had a chance to speek to my local engineer yet!
 

finx

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I'm running 220bhp, will this be too much for a re-grind? Also who suplys crankshafts, STD or updated? I have searched the Internet and could not find any?! Cheers tom

should be ok at those power levels.
your only option is to go second hand if you need to replace a crank.
the replacement will need to be measures and tested to check its all ok

you could try Toyota but it will be worth a fortune.
there are none available aftermarket off the shelf so if you deemed that your engine requires a uprated aftermarket crankshaft you would have to go custom and have one hand made.
in saying that most Japanese cranks are mighty tuff (in untouched form) and i havnt yet seen a e series Toyota engine thats had issues with a crank not being upto the task even on very high performance engines hitting close to 400WHP




cheers
Ryan
 

HYBRID

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should be ok at those power levels.
your only option is to go second hand if you need to replace a crank.
the replacement will need to be measures and tested to check its all ok

you could try Toyota but it will be worth a fortune.
there are none available aftermarket off the shelf so if you deemed that your engine requires a uprated aftermarket crankshaft you would have to go custom and have one hand made.
in saying that most Japanese cranks are mighty tuff (in untouched form) and i havnt yet seen a e series Toyota engine thats had issues with a crank not being upto the task even on very high performance engines hitting close to 400WHP

cheers
Ryan


a brand new crank from toyota costs around 1000gbp lol, so i dont think its an option buddy ... :haha:

as for him needing a billet/uprated crank is a bit to much... there are many many cars running double the power that he is on the stock crank without any problems.. i think he should take a good look inside his engine to see why the bearings failed... tbh id start with the oil pump, oil pressure relieve valve & then check the oil galleries & passageways for blockages.. just to make sure this doesnt happen again.

well the above is just my opinion of course :)
kon
 

terrygtturbo

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a brand new crank from toyota costs around 1000gbp lol, so i dont think its an option buddy ... :haha:

as for him needing a billet/uprated crank is a bit to much... there are many many cars running double the power that he is on the stock crank without any problems.. i think he should take a good look inside his engine to see why the bearings failed... tbh id start with the oil pump, oil pressure relieve valve & then check the oil galleries & passageways for blockages.. just to make sure this doesnt happen
well the above is just my opinion of course :)
kon

cheers for that mate, I'll get it ground and new bearings!!! I might get a new oil pump just incase that's caused it to go, but the engines cavered 100,000 now so could just be down to old age and my size 12 feet!!! Wots the oil pressure relieve valve? Where's it situated? Cheers tom.
 

finx

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a brand new crank from toyota costs around 1000gbp lol, so i dont think its an option buddy ... :haha:

as for him needing a billet/uprated crank is a bit to much... there are many many cars running double the power that he is on the stock crank without any problems.. i think he should take a good look inside his engine to see why the bearings failed... tbh id start with the oil pump, oil pressure relieve valve & then check the oil galleries & passageways for blockages.. just to make sure this doesnt happen again.

well the above is just my opinion of course :)
kon


I think there is a slight misunderstanding here.
I wasnt implying he needs to buy a new crankshaft. I was stating that it could be an option but i too had also assumed it would not be worth buying one as they are bound to be mighty expensive.
Neither was i trying to say that he needs to get an aftermarket crank, i just stating that they are an option but also not very accessible due to cost and availability.
I too have seen and built engines making allot more power than his setup is pushing.


I agree with what you have said about finding out what the cause of failure was before putting it all back together again.
ts very unlikely to be old age, 100,000miles is nothing for a Japanese built engine especially a toyota. i have seen 4efte engines on over 240,000km pushing 250whp for years without problems.
Engines dont just spontaneously run the bottom end, there is always a cause weather it be mechanical failure or human caused.

a likely cause would be due to worn oil pump which is also directly related to poor servicing or maintenance.
silicon gasket material is capable of working its way passed oil filters and making its way through the oil pump and into oil gallery's then onto engine bearings, as is other such particulate when regular service intervals are not carried out.
the other main probability of cause is oil starvation, caused by surge whilst cornering at speed or lack of oil in the sump possibly under the same conditions of harsh cornering.




cheers
Ryan
 
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terrygtturbo

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Just found out my crank is beyond repair(1.25mm to become round again) has any one got a good second hand crank for sale?
Also my engineer asked do the cranks need re-hardening after a grind or not? Cheers tom.
 
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