Hard wearing tyres, Help and advice needed
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Elaine
Lifer
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I am getting wear on both sides only slightly more on the left….
hmm.... i know its a silly idea, but when u had the coilovers installed, where the camber plates put on correctly? also where they put on the correct side, as they have L & R respectively on them... otherwise they could throw ur geomitary waaaay off..
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Elaine
Lifer
I have not idea Kon I woudl need to talk to Lewis about that...
So its more looking like my tracking or something is off if I can get that sorted woul dit help reduce the amount I am going through???
Texx
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This would suggest to me the LHF has too much negative toe (wheel pointing in too much when steering wheel is straight).
Does the car drive in a straight line or does it pull to one side?
Is the steering wheel straight when you are driving in a straight line, or is it off to the left slightly?
It would also be worth checking the bottom ball joints and also the track rod ends for excessive play as this can also affect tyre wear.
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Mike@TD.co.uk
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also if your going round a circuit clockwise there will be marginally more right hand bends, putting more stress on the left hand front tyre whilst cornering, giving you the uneven wear side to side
Texx
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also if your going round a circuit clockwise there will be marginally more right hand bends, putting more stress on the left hand front tyre whilst cornering, giving you the uneven wear side to side
As Mike has suggested, a lot of track driving will give you abnormal tyre wear.
Are you tyres wearing like this:
If so, there's not a lot you can do about it unless you fit some plastic tyres, tracking a car is an expensive hobby.
Best option would be to buy a second set of wheels and tyres to use on track (medium R888's would be a good choice), that way you'll never be chasing a problem that doesn't exist.
Toyo T1's do not have a very rigid casing especially the S's, Toyo improved the T1's tread strength and gave some side wall support with the R's, but they are not the best for track use. If you are tracking the car quite often, R888's would be a better choice (not for road use though) as they are a lot stronger and keep their shape better under hard cornering.
Elaine
Lifer
Don’t being dum but I cant see the wear in that pic!! I will get some pis up as soon as I get home the ones I have on atm are not to bad….
Ok silly question but when I take my car to get looked at what am I asking them to do???
Also if I go to a more hard wearing tyre am I going ot loose my grip???
Ok silly question but when I take my car to get looked at what am I asking them to do???
Also if I go to a more hard wearing tyre am I going ot loose my grip???
Nwimie
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jsut get them to check the tracking my tyres wear very evan bets ive had out of any car but i still shread tyres every few months if i do alot of miles and drive hard round corners.
jsut trying some goodyear excelence supposed to be a bit harder wearing have noticed not quite as grippy as the mitchellins i was using.
jsut trying some goodyear excelence supposed to be a bit harder wearing have noticed not quite as grippy as the mitchellins i was using.
gv1.3
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If you are tearing rubber off tyres in 6 to 8 weeks then your car needs attention which will be obvious a the wear will be uneven most of the time. Or you are doing burn outs. If you are only doing 500miles a week 6 weeks would be 3000 miles... even a shit tire will do more than that.
As for swapping tires from back to front... there is no harm in doing that if the wear is even as the rear tires on these cars wear very little compared to the front.
As for swapping tires from back to front... there is no harm in doing that if the wear is even as the rear tires on these cars wear very little compared to the front.
Texx
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The tread in the photo is tapered towards the left hand side, caused by hard cornering on track.
You don't necessarily want a tyre with a harder compound (you will see less grip with a harder tyre), you want a tyre that can hold its shape better under excessive force. Mainly, what you will need to look for is a tyre with a bigger contact surface like R888's, so stay away from tyres with an anti aquaplane V type tread pattern as these wont last long on track.
What you need to have checked is wheel alignment, paying extra attention to front toe and camber (caster doesn't really affect tyre wear too much), I would advise you only to have the alignment adjusted after new tyres have been fitted, old worn tyres will hide the true readings. Also you want to check bottom ball joints and track rod ball joints for horizontal and vertical play, If there is excessive play then this can put the alignment out under cornering and if left untouched can result in the ball joint separating, which wont be a very nice outcome. TBH tho, if the ball joints were that bad, you'd at least here a knocking or clunking noise when driving the car.
You don't necessarily want a tyre with a harder compound (you will see less grip with a harder tyre), you want a tyre that can hold its shape better under excessive force. Mainly, what you will need to look for is a tyre with a bigger contact surface like R888's, so stay away from tyres with an anti aquaplane V type tread pattern as these wont last long on track.
What you need to have checked is wheel alignment, paying extra attention to front toe and camber (caster doesn't really affect tyre wear too much), I would advise you only to have the alignment adjusted after new tyres have been fitted, old worn tyres will hide the true readings. Also you want to check bottom ball joints and track rod ball joints for horizontal and vertical play, If there is excessive play then this can put the alignment out under cornering and if left untouched can result in the ball joint separating, which wont be a very nice outcome. TBH tho, if the ball joints were that bad, you'd at least here a knocking or clunking noise when driving the car.
Elaine
Lifer
Thanks Tim will have look at these.
Dylan I am not doing bunouts I dont even think I woudl know how... I will get the car looked at. I cant swap from front to back as the wear is not even and I would rather just replace. I use to go through rear tyres in the 200 every few months and that was was out on track every other weekend through the summer so I just assumed them not lasting very long was normal and the GT is not driven anywhere near as hard as the 200was
If I get the tracking looked at and they sort it out will I then need it done again once the new tyres go on??
Dylan I am not doing bunouts I dont even think I woudl know how... I will get the car looked at. I cant swap from front to back as the wear is not even and I would rather just replace. I use to go through rear tyres in the 200 every few months and that was was out on track every other weekend through the summer so I just assumed them not lasting very long was normal and the GT is not driven anywhere near as hard as the 200was
If I get the tracking looked at and they sort it out will I then need it done again once the new tyres go on??
sx_turbo
Lifer
i would get the tracking done at the same time as replacing the tyres.
and know the tracking doesnt need doing everytime the tyres are changed, but it should get done about once per year
Nwimie
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do NOT get r888's they are road legal slicks very soft only really for track use imo texx only mentioned them cos they have a nice wide surface area on the road.. if i was you i would go for toyo T1R's or something simular. pirelli's are good also. they should last long enough once the tracking is sorted.
gv1.3
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How many times in the 6 to 8 weeks have you used the car on a track? And how long were the track sessions? that will be a good indicatoras to if its track use that is killing them. Mild track use still should not wear tyres out in 6 to 8 weeks. But if you are at the track every weekend all components of your car will wear quickly including brakes etc.. its to be expected.
In my last job I used to do a lot of driving and Id go 3 to 4 services without new tires which was about 45 to 50 thousand miles. Obviously no track driving.
In my last job I used to do a lot of driving and Id go 3 to 4 services without new tires which was about 45 to 50 thousand miles. Obviously no track driving.
Elaine
Lifer
I was out on track 3 weeks ago back out in 3 weeks and then 2 weeks after that so I am not out very often…
The last one I was out for an afternoon really hard wearing surface…
The roads I use everyday are mainly country roads the big road out side my house has just dropped from national speed limit to 40mhp because the road surface is so bad. My drive way is pritty hard going on my car and so is the main road out of Weymouth the car shakes for a past time…
What should I be looking for based on that???
The last one I was out for an afternoon really hard wearing surface…
The roads I use everyday are mainly country roads the big road out side my house has just dropped from national speed limit to 40mhp because the road surface is so bad. My drive way is pritty hard going on my car and so is the main road out of Weymouth the car shakes for a past time…
What should I be looking for based on that???