jam racing ecu info needed!

[97'GlanzaVTurbo]

would it make more sense to pay the extra for an emanage than a jam ecu for the fuel economy side?

if a jam ecu runs rich that means it will b hard on fuel where as an emanage will give optimum fuel economy.

would the difference in fuel saving be noticed between the two?

just something to think about.

The JAM ecu isnt bad on fuel at all, I cant remember what I get from the full tank again but I was getting better to the tank than other members running standard ECU.
Christy

 

[cameroon95]

The JAM ecu isnt bad on fuel at all, I cant remember what I get from the full tank again but I was getting better to the tank than other members running standard ECU.
Christy

Yeah im sure iv heard that the jam racing ecu increases fuel ecconmy?

 

[Toby@ToyTuning.com]

The JAM ecu isnt bad on fuel at all, I cant remember what I get from the full tank again but I was getting better to the tank than other members running standard ECU.
Christy

Yeah im sure iv heard that the jam racing ecu increases fuel ecconmy?

They will differ across the board hugely that's the thing they are not all the same, depends what they were mapped for originally. One could be good, another could be bad. This is what I mean you just don't know when buying. One could be mapped for a stock car, another for a 1.0 bar hybrid with different manifold, different exhaust who knows.

I'm not trying to push people into buying an emanage or unichip or SAFC etc I don't really care what you buy just explaining the pros and cons with facts. One could be great, another could be crap, who knows.

T

 

[Aidan@EP-styling]

Yeah im sure iv heard that the jam racing ecu increases fuel ecconmy?

yea it is said to be better than the stock ecu but i was comparing it to the emanage and it probably means that even if the emanage is more expensive to buy at the beginning you will save it over time from fuel consumption

 

[Toby@ToyTuning.com]

yea it is said to be better than the stock ecu but i was comparing it to the emanage and it probably means that even if the emanage is more expensive to buy at the beginning you will save it over time from fuel consumption

They are not all the same lol, depends on the map. Same with emanage, you could set one up as gas guzzling fuel monster, or you could set it up nice and lean.

Same goes for the JAM, could be good, could be bad, the difference is you can remap an emanage to how you want, you can't with a JAM.

T

 

[sx_turbo]

100% agree with toby on this one.

but anything more than that and your best getting a piggyback or standalone.

the stock ecu, and jam ecu's cant control the bigger injectors for a start, and as toby said you dont know 100% what it's been mapped for, unless it came with the car you bought direct from japan.

it's not worth the risk really,

i have seen people buy a jam ecu and run a car at 1bar boost with all supporting mods and the rings/ringlands fail, because there was to much det cos of the difference in fuel. (it's pretty rare this happens, but it can happen)

dont cut corners and save yourself from wasting £450.

i know there are people on here that rave about the jam type ecu's and there good in there own right in japan, but really and truthfully they have no place in the uk

 

[sx_turbo]

just to add a classic example.

i have a friend with a glanza, who bought a premapped ecu.

he has a hybrid ct9, mani decat and fmic and a jam style ecu.

he got it checked on the rollers, and the afr's are ok (not ideal, think there between 11.5 and 10, which is a little rich)

any way he gets full boost by 3k revs, but at 4.5k theres a sudden drop in power and then at 5k it takes off again.

this is because the timing and the afr's arent correct with each other as it has been pre programmed.

the power and torque curves arent very smooth either

he now needs a piggy back to sort this problem lol

 

[Toby@ToyTuning.com]

Good info Ricky mate you know where I'm coming from.

Like I said I'm not trying to say buy this or buy that I'm just trying to give the simple facts of these ECU's, worth spending the extra on something you can actually play with. Just too risky when you could be landed with a nice big rebuild bill by the end.

Yes it won't always happen but why risk it in my eyes if only life was as simple as fit and forget ECU's

 

[andyglanzav]

Good info Ricky mate you know where I'm coming from.

Like I said I'm not trying to say buy this or buy that I'm just trying to give the simple facts of these ECU's, worth spending the extra on something you can actually play with. Just too risky when you could be landed with a nice big rebuild bill by the end.

Yes it won't always happen but why risk it in my eyes if only life was as simple as fit and forget ECU's

some quality info here, have to go with the toby opinion overall i think, chances are slim that a pre programmed ecu is gonna be perfect for my setup.

are the benifits of emanage worth the extra money in comparrison to an apexi neo or similar?

Think Martin treacy can map the emanage's, ive heard nothing but good reports about him, ill throw up a different post lookin for mappers in ireland too!

i dont mind spending the few bob extra on the likes of a emanage but if a neo would do what i require i wouldnt be too upset about not spending a fortune!

also can i throw a unichip standalone ecu into the equation, would the advantages of these justify the price and are these similar money to an emanage (supply/fit/map)

cheers

 

[Toby@ToyTuning.com]

Never personally used the Unichip but new ones are meant to be pretty good, quite a few members running near on 300hp with them without it blowing up can't be that bad, as always management is only as good as the person mapping it.

Emanage Blue and Ultimate are both piggy backs, Ultimate has more features, for your setup blue should be okay tbh. Neo/SAFC is just a fuel controller and you can't play with igntion so the three units above may be better suited :beer:

T

 

[andyglanzav]

Never personally used the Unichip but new ones are meant to be pretty good, quite a few members running near on 300hp with them without it blowing up can't be that bad, as always management is only as good as the person mapping it.

Emanage Blue and Ultimate are both piggy backs, Ultimate has more features, for your setup blue should be okay tbh. Neo/SAFC is just a fuel controller and you can't play with igntion so the three units above may be better suited :beer:

T

ha the car just gets me to work and back, dont think i could handle 300bhp at 7 in the morning! have no real plans for more stuff on the engine apart from management so ill prob go for the emanage blue.

anyone wanna hit me with a roung bhp estimate at the fly? gonna run it at 1bar, would like to be the sunny side of 200!

thanks again for all the info, havent a clue about this end of things!

 

[Toby@ToyTuning.com]

I would say 4 million horsepower.

Probably around that mate 180 - 200, you running a Hybrid CT9? Dyno figures vary you could get 250hp they just need to play with the graphs if you see what I mean a lot of mad figures out there but realisticaly 180bhp with stock engine and head

This is a "realistic" 200hp at 1.0 bar on our TT hybrid CT9, spec in the more info bit:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5qlyfW6lm70

T

 

[andyglanzav]

yea i know what you mean alrit.

thats a nice vid, that thing stuck to the road!

just thinkin, my car was a tiny bit faster than a mates glanza which was dyno'd at 154 bhp, before i splashed out on it. so an increase of 25+ bhp will keep me smiling!

 

[Toby@ToyTuning.com]

As they say as long as your happy who cares on the figures!

Let me know how it goes, keep me up to date you can call/email any time.

Good luck

T

 

[andyglanzav]

As they say as long as your happy who cares on the figures!

Let me know how it goes, keep me up to date you can call/email any time.

Good luck

T

will do, i'll throw up a post with the finished article, its been off the road since the start of jan so ill prob get a few snaps of it when shes back with the new wheels and coilovers etc.

nice one for all the info,
andy

 

[Ted]

Good info Ricky mate you know where I'm coming from.

Like I said I'm not trying to say buy this or buy that I'm just trying to give the simple facts of these ECU's, worth spending the extra on something you can actually play with. Just too risky when you could be landed with a nice big rebuild bill by the end.

Yes it won't always happen but why risk it in my eyes if only life was as simple as fit and forget ECU's

think we all know where you are with these ecus toby. would like to speak up for everyone on here(quite a few) who has used these on different setups with good results. think youre being a bit optimistic about the price of operating emanage especially if you have to map it every time you change setups.

im very happy with 209hp on a td04 at a bar with a good afr reading and decent fuel economy(std pump and injectors), and come this weekend i pull it out and plug it into our trackcar(same spec) and away we go.

just my 2c

 

[dac69er]

think we all know where you are with these ecus toby. would like to speak up for everyone on here(quite a few) who has used these on different setups with good results. think youre being a bit optimistic about the price of operating emanage especially if you have to map it every time you change setups.

im very happy with 209hp on a td04 at a bar with a good afr reading and decent fuel economy(std pump and injectors), and come this weekend i pull it out and plug it into our trackcar(same spec) and away we go.

just my 2c

i agree with this. lots of people say that the pre-programmed ecus can cause the engine to blow up etc, but how many have blown up due to poorly mapped piggyback or standalone ecus? probably a similar amount.

any tuning is a risk at the end of the day. they may be a tad overpriced, but they are still pretty good pieces of kit.

 

[Toby@ToyTuning.com]

Both very valid posts lads. I try to be very diplomatic and it's evident some get good results with them just not what I would personally choose.

Tobs