rear pad ugrade

[Fatman]

For future reference, If you've got a set of passable pads in the rear then it's probably not worth replacing them for braking performance reasons. Far, far more critical to invest in a set of good front brake pads as especially in the heavily front biased EP chassis the front brakes do the vast majority of the work.

I've cracked many sets of rotors from heat, baked the powder-coat off the back of my wheels and had the whole arrangement glowing on the front and just barely had the rears up to 'blue' temperature, they really don't see much load.

All that said, if your rears are poked, certainly no harm in buying a set of uprated pads. Just ensure what you're buying is going to work well at the temperatures you're likely to experience back there, e.g low. Super duper race pads will worsen things considerably if they can't get to their 'sweet spot'

Also make sure that your brakes are bled correctly and that you don't end up running disproportionally more bitey pads on the rear as you'll end up with too much rear bias and end up backing it into a tree in a hurry.

 

[Heggers]

Yeah, I don't want to be upsetting the bias at all, I'll be having the yellowstuff pads on the front, I'd be quite interested in getting the same for the back as/when they're available but for now I'd be happy just to know what's available.

Really good info Fatman, thanks a lot :drive:

 

[Arnold]

You are misinformed, yellows work very well fron cold

I thought that was the case, but mine only seem to work well when they're hot.

 

[durmz]

I thought that was the case, but mine only seem to work well when they're hot.

X2, when cold, mine are shite, when they get hot there like glue

 

[Iain@CRD]

Technically you should have your pads matched all round, but on a stock disc the stock pads work better. They do bite when cold but nothing thats going to justify not buying a set of rear pads for £12-ish.

Dont listen to any information about anyone testing them, there not available yet thats a fact and from EBC themselves. Id love to see these rear pads that are available at the moment for testing :haha:

 

[Dave@TM-developments.com]

Got a set on the car Ian...........................

 

[Heggers]

How are they working out so far, Dave? Would they be alright for street use?

 

[Dave@TM-developments.com]

We will not even consider having these made now until we have done some long term testing, mainly down to some of the comments being made. We want to ensure they work well.
What gets me lately is traders and would be traders slating others and their products. Just because EBC do not make these at present does not mean they won't or can't. We can have them made at any time, we are just looking for a cheaper solution. We try to bring members new products as much as we can and basically get called liars, WTF?

People should grow up

 

[weakboy2]

the way i see it, a stock pad on a pissy thin disc, that gets lots of abuse on track WILL have a detromental effect on brake feel etc.

can i test some dave? id pay obviously

 

[Dave@TM-developments.com]

Unfortunately mate we have the only set in existence and they won't be tested for another 3 weeks yet

 

[Iain@CRD]

We will not even consider having these made now until we have done some long term testing, mainly down to some of the comments being made. We want to ensure they work well.
What gets me lately is traders and would be traders slating others and their products. Just because EBC do not make these at present does not mean they won't or can't. We can have them made at any time, we are just looking for a cheaper solution. We try to bring members new products as much as we can and basically get called liars, WTF?

People should grow up

My responce is not to turn this into a Dave v Iain debate. Each trader have there own opinions.

If you have them then thats fantastic but im struggling to justify why members would pay the extra for these Rear Pads on Stock Discs, which the majority would do. Theres no denying you should have matched pads all round and maybe .. they provide a slightly better bite but Stock are best on Stock discs in my opinion, some may vary, others have commented they work better when warm, which i agree with, mines certainly do.

EBC have the part numbers made up which im sure you dont need me to point out and can make these if they desire and couldve had these made up from the start but the cost for them is not justified in the end. Could have 4x Rear pads for the price.

Maybe the section i underlined is a page from someone elses book.

 

[Dave@TM-developments.com]

Exactly why they are being tested, to see if and how well they work. I have no intention of turning it into a versus debate I purely answered your alleagtions that we don't have them. How you would know I have no idea, but plenty of people have seen them on our car

When tested and proved we will give people a choice of rear pads, something that at the moment is only available in JDM expensive brands

 

[Iain@CRD]

Exactly why they are being tested, to see if and how well they work. I have no intention of turning it into a versus debate I purely answered your alleagtions that we don't have them. How you would know I have no idea, but plenty of people have seen them on our car

When tested and proved we will give people a choice of rear pads, something that at the moment is only available in JDM expensive brands

Exactly and a good idea

I stated there not available, assumptions we're made from that and i made no direct answer to make you think you had/never had them, as you said how would i possibly know?

Im going by how my car responds and work best on the street, 90% of use is made on the street therefore i dont think there a massive improvement and worth the cost over stock. Yet again, there isnt a massive choice for rear options.

 

[Dave@TM-developments.com]

Technically you should have your pads matched all round, but on a stock disc the stock pads work better. They do bite when cold but nothing thats going to justify not buying a set of rear pads for £12-ish.

Dont listen to any information about anyone testing them, there not available yet thats a fact and from EBC themselves. Id love to see these rear pads that are available at the moment for testing :haha:

Its there Iain

 

[Iain@CRD]

i made no direct answer to make you think you had/never had them

^^^

Its there Iain

It doesnt say Dave B or TMD there, i could have been talking about anything or anyone. I simply posted a statement made by EBC themselves. Nothing to do with TMD or there parts. I said id love to see them as i there not available from EBC yet i cannot purchase a set.

 

[Dave@TM-developments.com]

Yellow stuff rear pads that we had specially made for testing in our track car.

A full report will be made as soon as we can

 

[Iain@CRD]

Yellow stuff rear pads that we had specially made for testing in our track car.

A full report will be made as soon as we can

Top stuff,

They look extremely faded! My fronts dont even fade that much . Top work

Is that Grooved discs on the rear also? Probally why they appear to work better when cold. On a stock disc the results wouldnt be the same.

 

[Dave@TM-developments.com]

Apologies for the poor quality phone pic, I wasn't expecting to provide photographic evidence

 

[Iain@CRD]

Apologies for the poor quality phone pic

Is that what you call it ...

 

[Paul_JJ]

I was going to get the Tuning Developments package
http://www.tuningdevelopments.co.uk/proddetail.php?prod=UltimateBrakeKit

And just get standard rear discs with pads. The only ones I can spot are the EBC ultimax
http://www.tm-developments.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=31_32_3&products_id=1104

Don't know too much about brakes personally so thanks to everyone so far, have some rep for your troubles

Make sure the Brake Fluid is 100% compatible with YOUR TOYOTA. If you don't believe me have a look under the bonnet on the brake fluid reservoir, which says USE DOT 3 ONLY.

It might be ok for a year or so, but eventually because of EXTRA SUPER Anti-rust technology you might have a leak which could result to serious problem or even death! :shoot:

Personally, I would contact the Toyota Dealer and ask about the fluid!

Have a look here as well:

http://www.potn.co.uk/ebc-brakes-to...9-turbogroove-discs-front-gd1113_p1140354.htm

I am looking for better brakes as well. I will not touch the rear as it's not as important as the front. And for a front I plan to get the EBC Discs and the Red Stuff Pads or Expensive Mintex. I haven't decided about the Brake Fluid yet, but it's very important to have a correct fluid!

I remember on my old Starlet 99 bhp non turbo, my drum brakes failed MOT and when the guy opened the drums, he realised that I have no rear brakes AT ALL!!! Previous woman driver probably drove with the handbrake ON for some time! Well after changing the drum and the shoe I didn't NOTICE ANY DIFFERENCE AT ALL in braking!!!!!!

Personally, in order to brake as efficient as possible, I would say that the TYRES are more important then the rear brakes!