**Sold Dangerous Car complete with dodgy MOT**Please read

[GTti]

I'd just like to add, like I added in the previous thread regarding Akki's removal of trading.


No one is preventing you trading with these guys in private, we can no longer recommend doing so - and the general feeling in both cases is not to promote them any further. Lets not forget this website is high profile and has made both a fair share of profit (My assumption would be the majority of their online sales). There's no guilt to be felt by removing them / him / whoever.

In the mean time this forum and website has to remain credible and legitimate, anything that's an infraction to its reputation will have to be dealt with.

In my opinion it shouldn't be tolerated, even if it's just suspicion. Although I won't be involved in the decision, I've put my point across. For me only the first few pages need to be read in this thread.

Obviously the only interest is the members interest, I'm certainly not biased - I don't trade with anyone on this site.

 

[GTdan]

Bad example to be honest mate.
If this was a Dentist Forum and everyone was getting there teeth pulled from you. Why would anybody risk going to you incase you pulled the wrong tooth...

im racking my brains out to try and explain myself - i understand my point in my head, but getting it down on here is proving difficult.

but off the last point you made mart, why would the risk it and still being a trader on dentist forum? still 2 different points arent they?

 

[Mart]

I can kinda see where your coming from though Gtdan.
It is hard to write exactly what you think and have it worded in a way to come accross and out right.

 

[GTdan]

In the mean time this forum and website has to remain credible and legitimate, anything that's an infraction to it's reputation will have to be dealt with.

In my opinion it shouldn't be tolerated, even if it's just suspicion. Although I won't be involved in the decision, I've put my point across. For me only the first few pages need to be read in this thread.

Obviously the only interest is the members interest, I'm certainly not biased - I don't trade with anyone on this site.

so how about people/trading on forums making profits for themselves who arent registered as a business??

so for example akki and sham (there are probly others on this forums and other car forums who do this too) if there trading as rtraders, making profits on things, but not declaring it to inland revenue, surely this would bring a negative impact on the site?

when approving trader status etc, do you guys who approve them check if they are a possible rogue trader or a business registered business??

Slighly off topic i know, but one thing that hasnt been covered is how to prevent this happening in the future.

 

[Texx]

Why is it you people just jump to conclusions without even hearing the full story, there was no dodgy mot involved in this, you think that i would risk my licence to pass a car and then lose my job for fuk all.

The garage that i work at is no back street garage or somat, we work to a high level, we have 10 workers there, 3 mot testers and hopefully another tester soon. We do so many mots a day and you think that my boss wants to lose his business over a £1600 car?

I dont think so....

I have nothing to do with the fact that the car was bent or it drove like shit or whatever, my job is to test the motor for MOT, if the car was involved in an accident after the MOT certificate was issued, then that has nothing to do with me, I can only comment on the MOT side of things, not the accident, nor the way the car drove. I did make a mistake on the mileage but if you imagine I do up to 20 maybe more MOT’s everyday and people do make mistakes.

Sham mate, as the saying goes 'your only as good as your last job'. If your not giving yourself enough time to do your job properly, you will miss something, especially when MOT testing. If you alone are testing 20+ cars a day, your quite clearly not going to be doing a good job. It'll only be a matter of time until you miss something very serious and you could find yourself out of a job with no testing license or even worse banged up for manslaughter.

As you've said 'people do make mistakes', lets hope you haven't already made a big one.

 

[GTdan]

ok ill try and explain myself better

im a trader on here, but by day im a tyre fitter.

i do a foreigner at work for a member, i supply and fit some wheels and tyres.

week later, member posts up, one of the wheels where dodgy, buckled and wouldnt pass an mot (no jokes her please boys lol) its that bad but he hasnt noticed it.

trader claims to know nothing it about, and after discussions and it being posted on owners club the trader gives him a refund.

 

[Johnny_B]

ok ill try and explain myself better

im a trader on here, but by day im a tyre fitter.

i do a foreigner at work for a member, i supply and fit some wheels and tyres.

week later, member posts up, one of the wheels where dodgy, buckled and wouldnt pass an mot (no jokes her please boys lol) its that bad but he hasnt noticed it.

trader claims to know nothing it about, and after discussions and it being posted on owners club the trader gives him a refund.

But its not like the problems on the car went unnoticed!

 

[GTdan]

But its not like the problems on the car went unnoticed!

why not - its like comparing it to the tracking, chassis bent, and cosmetic damage??

 

[cole]

okay so you would be happy for him to contiue to sell parts?

after what weve seen how can you trust him to sell respectable parts? its not just cars that can be fucked..

shot turbo kits? leaking shocks? faulty ecu's? the list could go on and on..

you was happy when you was buying his wheels off him a few weeks ago tho want ya ... every thing you just said was totally hypocitical

i think sham ment 20 mot's in the garage a day not him personally ...

and i no you have made up your own minds and nothings gonna change that not even solid proof to some of you so theres no point even in this thread

its up to the mods what happens
if they want to remove his trading status thats up 2 them
but you cant ban him unless you can prove he has done somthing dodgy when he hasnt

thanks please save all the arguing as i cant be arsed no more i think the mods should lock the thread

 

[Fishy89GT]

mate if it dont work name names, people need to be aware of things like this, as mentioned above this is why sham should not be selling parts IF he sold this to you..

gt_matchew - also mate, just to let you know matts g/box was leaking from the o/s where the shaft splines in..

ive kept up to date with the whole thread, so unless ive missed a bit....the only thing that sham has done (he says not, but other information says otherwise, and we arent a court etc etc) is a dodgy mot.
Apart from that i believe he has sold countless number of items without any problems at all.
Now this is his day job being mot tester, now if i did something dodgy at work that effected you, say i was a dentist and i pulled the wrong tooth out, would i be banned on here, because of something that effected a member on here in my day job??

and i havent been with the thread from the start?

im sorry but really have no idea where your going with this reply?!

the main issue mate that i think you actually have missed is the fact that this "one" mistake could have taken matts life, his daughter's life and his mrs's life..

for putting a death trap deserves a banning, it obv shows he has no respect for other members and its all about money, once a dodgey dealer always a dodgey dealer as he knows he can get away with it, just not this time round.. i cant honestly believe that this is the first dodgey mot sham has done..

 

[Idrees]

Sham meant that they do 20 MOT tests between the three MOT testers at work. Just thought I'd clean that up.

 

[ChrisGT]

you was happy when you was buying his wheels off him a few weeks ago tho want ya ... every thing you just said was totally hypocitical

i think sham ment 20 mot's in the garage a day not him personally ...

and i no you have made up your own minds and nothings gonna change that not even solid proof to some of you so theres no point even in this thread

its up to the mods what happens
if they want to remove his trading status thats up 2 them
but you cant ban him unless you can prove he has done somthing dodgy when he hasnt

thanks please save all the arguing as i cant be arsed no more i think the mods should lock the thread

Well, I think you should stop trying to defend him so badly because a lot of the things you guys are saying/have said are making it worse for him. You're pissing people off, which is only going to end badly for Sham if it does go to some sort of vote/community decision.

 

[Johnny_B]

you was happy when you was buying his wheels off him a few weeks ago tho want ya ... every thing you just said was totally hypocitical

i think sham ment 20 mot's in the garage a day not him personally ...

and i no you have made up your own minds and nothings gonna change that not even solid proof to some of you so theres no point even in this thread

its up to the mods what happens
if they want to remove his trading status thats up 2 them
but you cant ban him unless you can prove he has done somthing dodgy when he hasnt

thanks please save all the arguing as i cant be arsed no more i think the mods should lock the thread

I think fishy made a good point.

The wheels Sham sold him were probably fine. However he bought them BEFORE this thread came to light. So not hypocritical at all!

How about the silver Tom's GT Sham sold, thats dodgy, and there is proof of that! (earlier in the thread, i cant be arsed to dig it up)

 

[Fishy89GT]

I do 20+ MOT’s a day, we are a very busy MOT centre and have 3 MOT testers here.
Sham

Sham meant that they do 20 MOT tests between the three MOT testers at work. Just thought I'd clean that up.

mate it clearly states he said I do 20+ mots a day.. he doesnt own the garage so he would not speak like that.. even if he did own the place he would say we do 20+ a day.. and im not being picky on english.. thats just how you would write it..

 

[Johnny_B]

why not - its like comparing it to the tracking, chassis bent, and cosmetic damage??

Ah ok, i thought you were refering to the magical repair and disrepair of the stuff that caused the MOT failure.

OOps. I forgot the 'bump' did that.

 

[cole]

u should have went with "im sorry i made a mistake doing a favour for akki, i believed that akki would fix the car up to an acceptable condition before selling but he didnt, ive let the owner down and my test centre down....im sorry"

^^that i would have understood and forgiven to a degree.

Phil[/QUOTE]

also 1 last thing ...

can you please honestly answer this for me phil

i dont no how to word this so this is the easyest way

if you was up for murdering some 1 ?

and you didnt do it ... would you admit you did just so people take pity on you ( ie .. the jury )

i no for a fact i wouldnt !

and i no you havent murdered any1 and thats not the point blaa blaa blaa

im just trying to give an example

 

[Fishy89GT]

you was happy when you was buying his wheels off him a few weeks ago tho want ya ... every thing you just said was totally hypocitical

thanks please save all the arguing as i cant be arsed no more i think the mods should lock the thread

yes baecause all this hadnt came up, and i dont know about the wheels, they could be buckled i havent tested them you noob!!

and you only want to lock it up because no-one agrees with you trying to defend to bandits!

keep it open so people can voice their opinion on shams outcome.

and cole keep this on topic.. the matter is now being confussed with bad examples and about people being murder'd, tell me how this is constructive towards this thread?
si

 

[Idrees]

mate it clearly states he said I do 20+ mots a day.. he doesnt own the garage so he would not speak like that.. even if he did own the place he would say we do 20+ a day.. and im not being picky on english.. thats just how you would write it..

Well mate I have just spoke to him and he told me that's what he meant to said. Looks like he worded it wrong. And he wouldn't lie to me.

 

[Fishy89GT]

Well mate I have just spoke to him and he told me that's what he meant to said. Looks like he worded it wrong. And he wouldn't lie to me.

okay, i appreciate he could of made a mistake, but he does seem to keep making mistakes if you can see where were coming from?

 

[Dingle]

I think this thread should be locked, nothing goods gonna come from now. If Sham did anything untowards he aint gonna admit it and if he's innocent his reputation ruined now anyway