advantages of the 5e over the 4e?

[gaz_turbo1]

dan rick aint saying that the 5e engine needs a rebuild every 6 months, just that it has to travel further for the same rev's meaning more stress across the crank bearing's, but yeah it down to how it is built-set up and treated

 

[gorganl2000]

yeah gaz...that is correct

and let's not forget...starletrick is actually running a 5e....so he does have a very good idea of what he says

 

[gorganl2000]

post are being made about general stuff in relation to the 5e.....not necessarily at u starletrick

generally, in relation to bearings...i guess they are uprated bearings available for both the 4e and 5e if someone's power requirements need these

this remains a good tread...lots of views...lots of information....and good points for and against some things..........

 

[fur]

tru gorgan, the lack of personality on a forum leads to misunderstanding, in my experience i haven't seen any high powered 5e's here in barbados using anything but oem bearings from toyota, the ones over 300whp use toyota parts with no ill effects thus far

 

[Gee]

tru gorgan, the lack of personality on a forum leads to misunderstanding, in my experience i haven't seen any high powered 5e's here in barbados using anything but oem bearings from toyota, the ones over 300whp use toyota parts with no ill effects thus far

One thing I have noticed about crazy power Starlets abroad is that they are generally not daily drivers.

Usually they are drag queens, used only on the QTR mile and if are used on the street it is only occasionally and on low boost applications and or on low RON fuel, where by when it made its big numbers, it was tuned on racing fuel.

My car is driven everyday and boosted everyday, as it was with the TD04 at 1bar generating 220 hp at the fly on stock internals for a few years. So I can back up my reliability claims, but as I say all the mad power Starlets I read about are hardly used.

 

[gorganl2000]

u have a point there geeuk
but from where we stand...i know fur can attest to this.....the "big" power starlets here are driven every single day....cause a lot of guys here cant really afford to have 2 rides...so its either modify your starlet/glanza OR buy another ride.....lol, we know which choice wins out...lol

i know of 3 cars with excess of 240whp that are daily driven..naturally,,,,they are not ran at maximum boost every single day....as on this small island with a lot of traffic its not possible

and most cars carry two maps here.......a normal everyday pump map with maybe < 20psi ......and a "racing/power" map with racing or high ron fuel maybe for power runs and other "activities"......and let's not forget that the island guys usually have poor everyday pump gas in comparison to most developed regions (uk, aus, NZ, ireland, etc.)...we usually get around 85-95 ron.....whereas some of u get 95-100 ron..so this influences the tune u can get, as well as u high ron/quality gas guys can better maintain high power numbers due to this

so these little things really need to be taken into account

and i know similar things can be said of jamaica, antigua, etc..

 

[HYBRID]

u have a point there geeuk
but from where we stand...i know fur can attest to this.....the "big" power starlets here are driven every single day....cause a lot of guys here cant really afford to have 2 rides...so its either modify your starlet/glanza OR buy another ride.....lol, we know which choice wins out...lol

i know of 3 cars with excess of 240whp that are daily driven..naturally,,,,they are not ran at maximum boost every single day....as on this small island with a lot of traffic its not possible

and most cars carry two maps here.......a normal everyday pump map with maybe < 20psi ......and a "racing/power" map with racing or high ron fuel maybe for power runs and other "activities"......and let's not forget that the island guys usually have poor everyday pump gas in comparison to most developed regions (uk, aus, NZ, ireland, etc.)...we usually get around 85-95 ron.....whereas some of u get 95-100 ron..so this influences the tune u can get, as well as u high ron/quality gas guys can better maintain high power numbers due to this

so these little things really need to be taken into account

and i know similar things can be said of jamaica, antigua, etc..

same can be said about here m8! well not everybody as the propper drag whores keep their cars for hal far only.. but thats just a minority..

soo true about the petrol, if were lucky we get 92ron lol.. & believe me thats a rare site.... still i run between 1 to 1.4bar daily

kon

 

[gorganl2000]

same can be said about here m8! well not everybody as the propper drag whores keep their cars for hal far only.. but thats just a minority..

soo true about the petrol, if were lucky we get 92ron lol.. & believe me thats a rare site.... still i run between 1 to 1.4bar daily

kon

yo kon...i consider malta one of the "island boys""...cause i know your gas quality is right down there in the 85-90ron region...generally speaking

 

[gorganl2000]

the big difference (and it is a big one) is that all of these big power starlets on islands (malta, barbados, Cayman, etc) you simply dont have the roads for monster power cars. real reliability isnt having a quick blast of accelleration. example, a 600hp drag engine will happily run a car up the qtr in 8 or so seconds with blinding speed. but could that engine run an endurance race for say 6 hours? i think not.

you small island guys dont have the roads to truely test the long term durability of your cars as they never get pushed hard enough.

you can go on about track and fast road as long as you like, but you just dont have the space for maintained high revs and engine temp.

also, these "big hp" (and im dubious about some of the figures these cars claim to put out) cars are not running full boost for daily applications, which also helps. i run mine at just over 240whp every single day. if the boost is increased it can run about 290-300whp, but obviously, there are reliability issues with running this day in day out.

ah...i see what u are saying......and in some islands it would be true........however, not for all.........cause i can assure u that in jamaica and trinidad, st lucia, etc....they are very LONG highways......u can ask hardcoreep how long he drives to and from work.............whereas here in barbados the island is considerably smaller..but we still have enough room to maintain relatively high speeds/revs----NATURALLY not as long as you big country/island guys can......so your point is well noted

...i guess hybrid/sheldon/damage can explain if they have long highways in malta...as i can generally only speak for the caribbean

anyway...in relation to the dubiousness of the power figures here in barbados.....i would go on the side of caution and STILL say the figures are pretty accurate........why......well how a lot of u guys use EA to compare apples......we only have one dyno....so we can only compare based on all apples----no oranges grown here.........next thing, our dyno here is one that is hooked up directly to the hubs of the car and was set up by the company who manufactured it to their specs,,,so this adds to its credibility.....whatever power is put out to the hubs, is what is recorded,,,,no calculations required to account for tire resistance, etc on any rollers

and i can say some of the jamaican guys drive thier cars hard daily, do track and also do 1/4 miles......

gas quality remains a big issue in actual power figures

and i think the aus and nz guys have proven reliability with both the 4e and 5e......just as an example,,,last time i checked, i think slostar ran 11.75sec on a 5e, which has in pretty much oem internals and has been operating for the longest time------i could be wrong, so correct me if i am......i'll try to find some evidence for this statement

 

[HYBRID]

yo kon...i consider malta one of the "island boys""...cause i know your gas quality is right down there in the 85-90ron region...generally speaking

yeah man! were island boys to lol normally we get between 86~92ron... on a lucky leap year we get 95... IF were lucky.. the norm is about 90ron...

still doesnt hamper us.. we all love boost lol.. even if its on pump gas..

the question to be asked is y the britts with all their fine tunes/parts etc still cant get close to us island boys... i prob could try figuring it out all day as apart from the rain they have everyting we dont.. parts & air temp wise... meh :homer:

 

[gorganl2000]

and fur's point about the "consistency" of the dyno used is true...as it does only really show that in such a case....all participants can be compared amongst each other IF they used the same dyno BUT not among different dynos/regions........

 

[sx_turbo]

yeah man! were island boys to lol normally we get between 86~92ron... on a lucky leap year we get 95... IF were lucky.. the norm is about 90ron...

still doesnt hamper us.. we all love boost lol.. even if its on pump gas..

the question to be asked is y the britts with all their fine tunes/parts etc still cant get close to us island boys... i prob could try figuring it out all day as apart from the rain they have everyting we dont.. parts & air temp wise... meh :homer:

the answer is, that tuners over hear tend to tune very safe, they dont push boundary's.

on uk spec cars they probably push more, but i have found with the jap imports, or imports in general, tuners and mechanic are scared of them i'm guessing it's because they are relatively rare what gets imported.

and we have a sueing culture over here like the americans, so if an engine breaks cos of bad tune, we sue the tuner lol.

also there is probably differences between our rolling roads to your rolling roads.

it's like your drag times, you guys in malta seem to get real good times, now either us brits are retards and cant drive for shit, or you really are that good lol

* the above comment was not aimed at all brits as there are a few that have got good times *

and your tunes are also on less qaulity fuel compared to ours, which is also strange.

sometimes i think if i moved to malta i would instantly gain 20bhp, almost as good as viper stripes (joke)

 

[goldenvtr]

Going back to the 4e/5e from my experiance of the exact same turbo setup and boost pressure on 4e to 5e you instantly notice the diffrence they make, it may only be 160cc diffrence but when you take into concideration the bores are expeanded 0.5mm and the 10cc drop pistons then you accumulate more CC overall so about 205cc above the original 1331cc so theoretically if you build a 5e as i seem the correct way (to forge) then your obviasly going to get much better gains. this is just common sence really.

if compairing a forged 4e over a forged 5e then as perivously stated the 4e is in theory more reliable (if revd the same) due to its lower piston speed, but a 5e is just like people who remove the stock 4e rev limit and going higher.

 

[gv1.3]

but, i could take my car to maybe 10 different dynos within an hour from me, and all the results would be pretty uniform, if they arnt, people will stop going there.

or you could look at that another way... a lot of guys with dynos actually tune cars also not just do power runs. Its an unfortunate thing though that if I get my td04 tuned on a powerfc at dyno x and I get 240bhp and someone else gets theres tuned at dyno y and gets 260bhp a lot of the time the tuner is said to be a better tuner. This could potentially see them getting more business not less.

Having been to Malta and their drag track and one of their tuning garages and in their cars... well, they do it differently thats for sure.. and some of the balls out stuff they do with their cars would scare the shit out of a lot of people in the UK and Ireland.. they experiment... blow things up and generally drive on the limit. That is a fact... to say their drag strip is downhill or short... well... thats just ignorance not fact.

 

[gorganl2000]

i think the advs/disadvs of a 5e over a 4e have been answered in the first two pages...really

all the other stuff is some nice add ons----for the most part...cause areas such as ---reliability, power, tuning, etc have also been covered among all the talk

so this tread will be very useful for REFERENCE purposes for new/exisiting members depending on what they want to know

good stuff

 

[Gord R]

Mine had a built 5E engine running a K26 Blitz Setup - didnt feel particually laggy and was very impressed with how torquey it felt - was very quick as well.

Going back to a 4E setup now to meet class regs but building the engine to run more boost than i did on the 5E, will be interesting to see how different it is. Will get a post up when I can tell more.

But as said , think most adv/disadv have been mentioned.

 

[Jay]

I've mopped some of the off topic chat out of this one to clean it up and make it more readable.

Excellent discussion - one to keep for future reference.

Cheers,

Jay

 

[Guye]

Excellent read! I wish there were more threads like this.