CT9 vs TD12 vs TD04 - Pros & Cons
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sacodetoro
Lifer
Not my car and I wish I could take credit for the work lol, the only thing different from the standard sort of set up is that it's still running a tmic(ARC)
It's an animal on the road, and i definately goes far better than an extremely well set up ct9 according to the owner of the said ct9.
You still get the in gear responce but with more pull. I am running a wepr td04 kit, same ecu(emu) etc and the ported mani and weejohn adaptor plate route makes for a far more driveable car but with great top end, pm Ed 12345678 and I'm sure he'd be able to talk through the more technical bits.
Rich
Aidan@EP-styling
Trader
I could not justify the price of a hybrid when imo are not much better (if better at all) against a good stock CT9B.
I'm running my CT9 turbo with a E.J. ported manifold (best manifold I've ever used) and a decat with a JAM ecu. It pulls very well and I strongly believe that a hybrid CT9 will not be much quicker.
I also know of a fair few hybrid CT9's that give trouble within a year or so. Oil seals been the most common problem.
When it comes to turbos the most reliable and cheapest are the turbos that come on cars from new I.E td04 / ct9.
I'm running my CT9 turbo with a E.J. ported manifold (best manifold I've ever used) and a decat with a JAM ecu. It pulls very well and I strongly believe that a hybrid CT9 will not be much quicker.
I also know of a fair few hybrid CT9's that give trouble within a year or so. Oil seals been the most common problem.
When it comes to turbos the most reliable and cheapest are the turbos that come on cars from new I.E td04 / ct9.
u meant CT9 Hybrid? if not, i'll really like to knw more about that set up
sacodetoro
Lifer
A Hybrid unless it has been custom built to your own specific requirements is pointless as there is always another turbo out there that has had the R&D put in (to build on Aidan's point), if you aren't happy with a ct9 then try a different turbo imo.
Mark-ep91
Member +
Nope he means good ct9 turbo
spec of the ct9 is ,good ct9 turbo,hdi front mount intercooler, reloacted air filter,upgraded mani,decat,catback exhaust system,hks actuator set at 1 bar and jam ecu
Mark-ep91
Member +
i tought so too maybe its just down to popsy being a bad driver:haha:
these were 60+ mph take offs like dunno if that makes a difference
Going from what I experienced from a very well setup ct9 at bar to a well setup ct9 hybrid at a bar (which made more torque than a td04 at a bar) the td04 would pull away from the ct9's. All these cars where setup by the same person. Tbh I was surprised how well a td04 just running a bar went.
x2
dnt think the 1.3 litre CT9 turbo can throw as much air in as the 2 litre TD04 could comfortably..so to speak.
runnina a ct9 at 1 bar is on its limits, in some cases it could likely be spitting hot air
popsy09
Munster Area Rep.
it must be a cork thing about these fast ct9s ha ha ,there was nothing between me and another td04 on jam ecu at 1.1 from about 20mph but i could not pull from the ct9 either strange i know but i seen itwith my own eyes
and i might add previously i seen a td04 at 1.2 bar only pull about 1-2 car lenghts away from a ct9 and i know people can throw all these facts and figures into the equation and i know it just does not add up but thats what happened lol
if there was something up with mine the other td04 would of pulled on me ya know
CT9 FTW HA HA
and i might add previously i seen a td04 at 1.2 bar only pull about 1-2 car lenghts away from a ct9 and i know people can throw all these facts and figures into the equation and i know it just does not add up but thats what happened lol
if there was something up with mine the other td04 would of pulled on me ya know
CT9 FTW HA HA
sacodetoro
Lifer
popsy09
Munster Area Rep.
Driver ability!
well its not hard to change gear from 3rd to 4th as thats what we did the runs in but im telling ye thats what happened and if i was a bad driver the other td04 would of pulled on me
it opened my eyes a bit anyway people might think different but unless you raced this ct9 i dont think you can comment
i might have say 10-15 brake on him and more torque but its how it goes on the road and his went very very well for a ct9
sacodetoro
Lifer
I was only having a laugh mate, but a td04 will beat a ct9 in the twisties etc it will be close as most ct9's will have the jump on the td04 but a td04 set up the way i mentioned in a previous post in this thread will shit on a ct9, even one that is very well set up.
There are so many factors involved like fluid capacity and inner design of the different manifolds, different intercoolers, different ecu's/maps which all affect the responce and the way in which the car drives.
For instance in the collector of my wepr mani there is an edge which will disrupt the entire flow and cause a rather large pocket of turbulent flow a properly ported ct9 mani doesn't have that problem.
There are so many variables other than the turbo but on the whole the td04 will perform better plus you can run a td04 at 1.2bar on standard internals with no bother which goes a hell of a lot better than a td04 at a bar.
There are so many factors involved like fluid capacity and inner design of the different manifolds, different intercoolers, different ecu's/maps which all affect the responce and the way in which the car drives.
For instance in the collector of my wepr mani there is an edge which will disrupt the entire flow and cause a rather large pocket of turbulent flow a properly ported ct9 mani doesn't have that problem.
There are so many variables other than the turbo but on the whole the td04 will perform better plus you can run a td04 at 1.2bar on standard internals with no bother which goes a hell of a lot better than a td04 at a bar.
popsy09
Munster Area Rep.
ya i didnt mean to sound like a dick there in the last message lol ,well its strange but thats what happened today , if i didnt have a run with the other td04 i would of said there was something wrong with mine but in third and fourth there was no difference between the ct9 but it dont matter anyway next time both of us will have different setps lol
sacodetoro
Lifer
No worries lol, the other thing worth noting is that the power delivery differences beteen the ct9 and td04 can sometimes give the driver the false impression that they are going so much faster than the ct9 setup they just got out of.
