CT9 vs TD12 vs TD04 - Pros & Cons

[popsy09]

ct9 vs tdo4 both running a bar the tdo4 will chew the ct9 with ease tryed and tested many a time

yup i taught so too lol ,maybe the td04s in cork are slow or the ct9s are fast ha ah ,both runs were from 3rd if that makes a difference lol

 

[Phil]

yup something wrong there.

and thats not an extremely well setup ct9 at all by the sounds of things.

spec of the ct9 is ,good ct9 turbo,hdi front mount intercooler, reloacted air filter,upgraded mani,decat,catback exhaust system,hks actuator set at 1 bar and jam ecu

i did a "extremely well setup ct9" before and it went well, very well but still wouldnt have sat with a td04 at a bar.

Phil

 

[popsy09]

yup something wrong there.

and thats not an extremely well setup ct9 at all by the sounds of things.

i did a "extremely well setup ct9" before and it went well, very well but still wouldnt have sat with a td04 at a bar.

Phil

ya thats what i was thinking but me and another td04 went for a fun run too and there was fuck all in that either ,only thing i might say is mine is due a service soon lol , but im not a man to be getting all upset either what happened is in the past lol , remember i was talking to you last week well i got sorted so should have no bother seeing off a ct9 then ha ha

 

[Phil]

the turbo itself is alot cheaper. but when you put a new ct9 hybrid against a td04 kit then the hybrid generally comes out cheaper.

i get you duncan.

but texxy boy is needing a new manifold anyhow.

not to mention anyone who has already wasted(lol)/spent money on a upgraded ct9 setup of mani and downpipe can soon sell them as they wont need them for td04.

ps texx speak to killamats, he is always willing to sort a price if your serious about buying. you'll want the mani exgate option and downpipe. source your own oil feed and turbo and your laughing (stock td04 oil return fits) and you dont need water lines. any ct9 intercooler piping just needs a hacksaw and a brain to sort in two min.

and keep an eye out for a 2nd hand tial 38mm gate.

Phil

 

[Phil]

ya thats what i was thinking but me and another td04 went for a fun run too and there was fuck all in that either ,only thing i might say is mine is due a service soon lol , but im not a man to be getting all upset either what happened is in the past lol , remember i was talking to you last week well i got sorted so should have no bother seeing off a ct9 then ha ha

what power is yours making popsy>?

what power is the ct9 making 180ish?

yeah thats good let me know how you get on anyhow.

Phil

 

[popsy09]

what power is yours making popsy>?

what power is the ct9 making 180ish?

yeah thats good let me know how you get on anyhow.

Phil

last time i checked 212 ct9 i would imagine 190

 

[Mark-ep91]

would it have something got to do with the jam ecu giving an aggresive map and higher rev limit???
as my car is nearly identical to spec as the ct9 mentioned and is very quick too

 

[GT_Irl]

@ Texx...if spool times are your worry with td04, im sure with a litlle bit of work you could get it to an acceptable time for your desired application for the car. Franza had alot of success with wrapping mani, decat and exhaust the whole way back..if you combined that with headwork mentioned above and a really really good boost controller I dont see why your desired spool time would be unattainable. As for hybrid ct9's, its a contorversial area! Very mixed feelings from anyone I have talked to. One things for sure, they do hold their value quite well so if you were so inclined you could easily get a sppedvision one and if you were not happy with it you could sell it on and make most of your money back

 

[Phil]

would it have something got to do with the jam ecu giving an aggresive map and higher rev limit???
as my car is nearly identical to spec as the ct9 mentioned and is very quick too

that would be one of the reasons id wouldnt call it a good spec. the jam ecu wont have been mapped for the application.

emanage ultimate, cams and a ported head and a stock ct9 @1.2bar jam manifold hks exhaust hks actuator fmic etc etc. still wouldnt have sat with a td04 @1bar with an equally good setup.

Phil

 

[GT_Irl]

that would be one of the reasons id wouldnt call it a good spec. the jam ecu wont have been mapped for the application.

emanage ultimate, cams and a ported head and a stock ct9 @1.2bar jam manifold hks exhaust hks actuator fmic etc etc. still wouldnt have sat with a td04 @1bar with an equally good setup.

Phil

stock ct9 would only be blowing hot air after 1bar is well i noticed NO difference between 1 bar and 1.1 bar on mine. I agree, td04 in theory (even just based on its size alone) should cane a ct9

 

[popsy09]

starting to think something is wrong with mine now ha ha ,you have pm phil

 

[GT_Irl]

starting to think something is wrong with mine now ha ha ,you have pm phil

You can take mine on for another check

 

[popsy09]

You can take mine on for another check

give me about 3 weeks i will then

 

[boostup]

well i couldnt touch a td04 at 1 bar on my ct9 @ 1bar on a jam ecu but once i got a hybrid that soon changed

 

[GT_Irl]

give me about 3 weeks i will then

:haha: you'd destroy my wee beasty right now..I have no doubt! Lookin forward to that lad...you might take me for another spin when shes finished!

 

[popsy09]

:haha: you'd destroy my wee beasty right now..I have no doubt! Lookin forward to that lad...you might take me for another spin when shes finished!

sure will , might give ya spin if your nice

 

[Phil]

stock ct9 would only be blowing hot air after 1bar is well i noticed NO difference between 1 bar and 1.1 bar on mine.

thats the usual forum guff though. hot air after 1bar...

in practice all these ct9 "hybrids" have stock hotsides or very close to it. and yet they are recomended upto 1.2bar?

funny how that they make slightly more hp at slightly more boost than a ct9? an expensive joke but funny looking back.

or you get a ct9 hybrid with a moosive(almost td04) comp side and it will make slightly more power again but need rebalanced every 6months or year. like ask dubseven heu was the one person to really push ct9 hybrids recently and even he will admit if you put these big ass comp wheels on a shaft and the tiny stock exhaust side on the other end its only got a limited lifespan before it wont be balanced anymore.

noticed NO difference... just read this again... what did you change when you changed the boost? what ecu where you running? what afr?and what increase had you anticipated after lifting the boost by 1.45psi?

if your considering ANY sort of ct9 setup go for a stock ct9 and upgrade to a hks actuator and port the wastegate.

Phil

 

[GT_Irl]

thats the usual forum guff though. hot air after 1bar...

in practice all these ct9 "hybrids" have stock hotsides or very close to it. and yet they are recomended upto 1.2bar?

funny how that they make slightly more hp at slightly more boost than a ct9? an expensive joke but funny looking back.

or you get a ct9 hybrid with a moosive(almost td04) comp side and it will make slightly more power again but need rebalanced every 6months or year.

if your considering ANY sort of ct9 setup go for a stock ct9 and upgrade to a hks actuator and port the wastegate.

noticed NO difference... just read this again... what did you change when you changed the boost? what ecu where you running? what afr?and what increase had you anticipated after lifting the boost by 1.45psi?

Phil
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you said a standard ct9 in your post mate, thats why I was referring to standard and yes I totally agree..I dont see how they are rated to 1.2 either, there just far to small to be running that. Just upped it on the controller mate. Was running 0.95bar on the actuator or so, upped to about 1.15bar on the controller (with a small bit of creep also). Mines ecu, cant remember afr's off hand. I was just curious if anything, theres a lovely difference from just below cut to 1bar so I guess I was expecting to even notice aslight positive difference, if anything the car was bogging down a bit. IMHO 0.9-0.95 bar is optimal for ct9's.

as for the slightly more hp, just a bigger inlet and compressor wheel, thats it really..its still the same small (albeit responsive) turbo.

"if your considering ANY sort of ct9 setup go for a stock ct9 and upgrade to a hks actuator and port the wastegate."

Yup. Coulden't agree more!

 

[Phil]

dear only knows what your car was doing lol, the mines are well known for being the most agressive with timing, but she could have been mapped for a k26 @ 1.8bar for all we know.

i was also talking about my stock ct9. just with a hks actuator and ported wastegate, ran 1.2bar open filter and all the supporting mods afrs in the high 11 early 12 and never a problem for a long time. before i made the mistake of trying a hybrid.

Phil

 

[GT_Irl]

dear only knows what your car was doing lol, the mines are well known for being the most agressive with timing, but she could have been mapped for a k26 @ 1.8bar for all we know.

since you never ran a ct9 setup @1.15/1.2 bar i dont see your reasoning.

i was also talking about my stock ct9. just with a hks actuator and ported wastegate, ran 1.2bar open filter and all the supporting mods afrs in the high 11 early 12 and never a problem for a long time. before i made the mistake of trying a hybrid.

Phil

Had the ecu on for months now. The lad I bought it off had it with a ct9 setup for months before. Ive had timing, fueling etc checked and its all bang on.

"dear only knows what your car was doing lol" well that isnt patronising in the slightest.

I just said I ran mine at 1.1 bar +, did you not read my post? My reasoning is that in my own personal experience on a stock ct9 I felt past 1bar the car was actually performing worse, car was bogging down high up the rev range. I know I am not the only one on here who has had that experinence. Obviously I would like sometime in the future to dyno her at 1bar and 1.15/1.2bar just to see the difference if any.

edit: Just in case your wondering my wastegate is ported and im running a hks actuator with a relocated blitz lm filter