I want more response..but a bit more power would be nice too!
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Gee
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Your going to turn this thread into something it is not Monk. The old power vs FF has been done many times.
My car can EASILY handle and put more power down from 3rd gear upwards. There are many people on this site running a lot more power than me and also some members that put down 11 second QTR miles. You really think this can be achieved without the necessary power output?
There is no way I am going down to a CT9, hybrid or not.
The name of the thread was actually 'I want more response'.
And like I said 'A little more power would be nice too'. Which for many, it always is!
But, if you have read my past few comments, you will see that I am already looking into what you have suggested...heat wrapping etc etc and simply trying to get the best from my current setup and enjoying the car.
Hope you understand.
My car can EASILY handle and put more power down from 3rd gear upwards. There are many people on this site running a lot more power than me and also some members that put down 11 second QTR miles. You really think this can be achieved without the necessary power output?
There is no way I am going down to a CT9, hybrid or not.
The name of the thread was actually 'I want more response'.
And like I said 'A little more power would be nice too'. Which for many, it always is!
But, if you have read my past few comments, you will see that I am already looking into what you have suggested...heat wrapping etc etc and simply trying to get the best from my current setup and enjoying the car.
Hope you understand.
Gee
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Yes...your right.
Please see all of my comments above in relation to getting the best from my current setup...blah blah...
Can't have the best of both worlds with a turbocharged car, I understand that.
So, if anyone else had suggestions on making the car more responsive while retaining my current setup, please do offer your advice, instead of forcing your own opinions or your own ideal setups and preferences on others.
I know what the car used to be all about, but its not exactly in factory trim.
Different strokes and all of that.
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sx_turbo
Lifer
problem is over here there are way to many mechanics who arent skilled and upto the job, which is why people tend to do the work themselves.
in america there is a lot of skilled workmanship in the custom and tuned automotive sectors, and they are not generally over the top priced either which is why the americans are so good at tuning.
Gee
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Totally amazes me how they do what they do over there...especially considering the RON of the fuel they use too.
Iain@CRD
Lifer
I have to agree with Gee and disagree with Monk.
Starlets can easily handle this sort of power! I use my car same as Gee as a daily driver also.
Infact i actually feel the car has SOO much more potential now ive settled into the TD04L and most folk who have achived that potential will agree.
Because its 275bhp in FWD does not make it in anyway an uncontrolable car, yes 1st gear its an option on boost and 2nd spins also but eventually grips but car can easily have more power 3rd up as Gee said.
Ive always used the saying that "Id rather have a 300bhp starlet than a 300bhp evo". And before the smart arses try and start my starlet aint 300bhp but not far from it so you catch my drift.
GTti
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I'm not forcing my preference on you at all! I was trying to input on your contradictive thread.
You want more power
You want more response
You LURVE peak power
You don't want to change anything
Perhaps you're taking the wrong approach to what might actually make your car faster. Like I was saying area under the torque and power curve will make your car quick. The more you can sustain a decent power/torque level over the rev range the better. I'm not talking about a nice peak that lasts for two thousand RPM.
What's better, a peak or an average? It's not up to me, but I would choose the better average.
You have the options to have extensive work done on the head, as mentioned above it needs to be a very profesional job to gain advantages in relation to engine response. And even then are the advantages going to satisfy you enough, knowing you could use a different engine? Would it be worth it?
GTti
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I don't think Mike was debating about wether the car will handle the power, if you spend enough money I'm sure it will handle anything.
I think the point he's getting across is it WORTH the extra power?
I've seen K24 Starlets running low 13's over the 1/4 mile, I've also seen results for 250+bhp Starlets in the UK running the 1/4 in a similar time.
Is it worth the extra power? The extra strain on the gearbox, drivetrain, to go how much faster? None at all as far as I can see.
The new Focus RS has a huge load of technology and suspension updates that are almost 20 years more advances than the Starlet, and they're just starting to put 300bhp through the front wheels. I'm sure they never done this before because in the real world there was no point and offered minimal advantages compared to disadvantages.
Gee
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Don't take that personally GTti, it was not aimed at you mate.
Or anyone else.
To be honest, going by past input from Mike, I don't think this is what he was trying to say at all.
What you have said does make sense, maybe it is not worth it. So many threads about gearboxes going bang these days, probably isn't worth the extra strain. Not on a daily drive anyway.
Or anyone else.
To be honest, going by past input from Mike, I don't think this is what he was trying to say at all.
What you have said does make sense, maybe it is not worth it. So many threads about gearboxes going bang these days, probably isn't worth the extra strain. Not on a daily drive anyway.
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enginetuner
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Sorry guys , been away from the forums for a while and I have only just found this thread....
Gee have you considered trying to raise the octane content of your fuel , saving yourself some money and gaining power and torque to boot...
Not a new thing I know but we have recently introduced ourselves to the benefits of running a mix of V-Power and Methanol sometimes with octane booster too...
I have seen some very good results with a 20% mix , one 2.5 Impreza gained 65hp and 110lbft @ 4000rpm when mapped for the mix , adding it alone gained 30hp or a little over 8% bhp and torque before mapping..
Methanol is cheap if you have somewhere to store large quantities of it ,
65p a litre currently ...
Martyn
Gee have you considered trying to raise the octane content of your fuel , saving yourself some money and gaining power and torque to boot...
Not a new thing I know but we have recently introduced ourselves to the benefits of running a mix of V-Power and Methanol sometimes with octane booster too...
I have seen some very good results with a 20% mix , one 2.5 Impreza gained 65hp and 110lbft @ 4000rpm when mapped for the mix , adding it alone gained 30hp or a little over 8% bhp and torque before mapping..
Methanol is cheap if you have somewhere to store large quantities of it ,
65p a litre currently ...
Martyn
Gee
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Hi Engine Tuner,
Thank you very much for your response.
It is not something I have considered and don't have storage for such a thing unfortunately.
Thank you for the suggestion thou.
I am going to concentrate on other aspects of the car for the time being to keep my mind off it.
Stedee,
The engine is fully balanced with lightened flywheel already mate.
Thank you very much for your response.
It is not something I have considered and don't have storage for such a thing unfortunately.
Thank you for the suggestion thou.
I am going to concentrate on other aspects of the car for the time being to keep my mind off it.
Stedee,
The engine is fully balanced with lightened flywheel already mate.
9:1 compression aye artmull?
flat top pistons with a stock HG running 300+whp, good going
we use the very same setup here in the caribbean with similar results, but whenever I say this some of the UK guys on the forum bash me and say we have broken dynos
nice detailed spec list btw, looks familiar
compression is the shit!!
flat top pistons with a stock HG running 300+whp, good going
we use the very same setup here in the caribbean with similar results, but whenever I say this some of the UK guys on the forum bash me and say we have broken dynos
nice detailed spec list btw, looks familiar
compression is the shit!!
kon your a firestarter.
gee, have you considered running water injection with 50/50 water meth and running some more timing, you could get it alot more savage with this tried and proven method
i run water injection on my car with 220psi per cylinder compression (9:1) with no issues in the caribbean sun (30+ deg celcius daily)
gee, have you considered running water injection with 50/50 water meth and running some more timing, you could get it alot more savage with this tried and proven method
i run water injection on my car with 220psi per cylinder compression (9:1) with no issues in the caribbean sun (30+ deg celcius daily)
Starlet_Sam
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turbospool@1krpm
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Some interesting information guys, and I must say I love the way all the international guys and their thoughts/work/ideas ! Good on you honestly, always admired 
Gee,
Would it not be possible to discuss with your local turbo place to see what else they can do with the TD04l other than BB ing? For example, maybe putting a spacer in the exhaust turbine ( hence reducing the area ) to create to a better spool and also modify the compressor wheel side to flow more air through ? Will probably give you less top end though but maybe higher power/torque through rev range ? ? ?
This is my personal theory, so someone experienced, could you please comment on this and to what extent this maybe a good idea ?
Gee,
Would it not be possible to discuss with your local turbo place to see what else they can do with the TD04l other than BB ing? For example, maybe putting a spacer in the exhaust turbine ( hence reducing the area ) to create to a better spool and also modify the compressor wheel side to flow more air through ? Will probably give you less top end though but maybe higher power/torque through rev range ? ? ?
This is my personal theory, so someone experienced, could you please comment on this and to what extent this maybe a good idea ?