Ireland only has 60 days left of cash left

corofin12345

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She's a great representative for Health isn't she. A fat lump of lard. She made a TOTAL mess of the health service. I want to punch my TV every time I see her on it but that would only result in me having to spend 4 days in one of her USELESS A&E departments just to tell me I had a broken toe

lad, dont get me started... i fucked up my knee in 2001 and had 2 wait 4 years to get surgery... had more surgery last year and im still not right.. i was fucked about because i didnt have a medical card... if the fat cunt ever darkens my view i wont be held responsible for what id do to her.. our minister for health and she an overweight cow.. this country makes me laugh, it really does
 

clarkytrd

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ah we're all talk.....
i reckon we all meet in dublin in lets say...an hour, and we'll kick things off :D

Wes, thats what needs to be done but the irish people just sit back and do feck all about it.

We need to stand up to these clowns... REVOLUTION!!!
 

animal gt

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so they say be do they ever implement with force any new rules?

im from rural ireland me and my brother and dad all work in unqualified employment none of us exceeding 400euro a week! we have no farm,land or have inherited nothing! my parents have a motgage 800euro a month they have to run cars food fuel etc and all around me there are friends parents who have never worked basically that have built houses like what the hell? every second rural social welfare benifitee is fraud in my eyes! for fuck sake im savin all year to buy a car and my friend turns 18 has to wait 3months to get his dole and gets over 2400euro in back payments hes 22 now and still hasnt worked and is no longer my friend! the problem with ireland is the people in it! 100euro dole cut only applied for new applicants under the age of 21 so all people on the dole before this keep getting 196euro a week! while if i lost my job and had to go on benifits i wouldnt get 196euro despite all the tax ive paid over the last years ive bee working! its all fucking wrong! and even when it was right it was still very fucking wrong! irish people are crude greedy people and the country is full of old old money lying in bank accounts being handed down from generation to generation! who has ever seen a so called 'poor farmer' without a house built a new car/jeep without credit please are they dealing drugs or fucking cows?

the poor farmer bit..lol have to laugh at them coming in for there dole!! mucky boots working clothes,and getting full dole,them cunts rotton with money land worth thousands like..governments is behond a joke!!,cut the dole is the easy way out for them 196 is abit much in fairness, but how about cut there big wage packs right down,see how they like it.
 

wesgt

Lifer
Wes, thats what needs to be done but the irish people just sit back and do feck all about it.

We need to stand up to these clowns... REVOLUTION!!!

the funny part is, you're right! this needs to happen!!

the poor farmer bit..lol have to laugh at them coming in for there dole!! mucky boots working clothes,and getting full dole,them cunts rotton with money land worth thousands like..governments is behond a joke!!,cut the dole is the easy way out for them 196 is abit much in fairness, but how about cut there big wage packs right down,see how they like it.

feckin farmers, my girlfriends dad is a farmer, i slag her all the time! she told me about some lad her dad knows at the mart the other day, he sold a bull, ya know how much the cunt got fot it, €24,000!!!! for a f*cking bull lol


sure its the same with the "travellers", getting social welfare and they loaded.
when i was working as a postman, my route was usually 4 hours long, i'd be on route at 8, finish at 12, some of the gimps i wouldn't reach til 11 or so, the scumbags used to come looking for me at like 8.30 looking for their social welfare cheques!

ps dec 21st 2012 is looking more and more likely!
 
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yeah december 21st 2012 the end of the world we know it they reckon?? already a film made about it and uk artist jay sean has a single about it! theyll even make money of the end of the world!ha
 

Gryzor

Admin
just because the mayan calendar ends on the 21st of December 2012 doesn't mean the world is going to end :homer:
 

spuddy

Ulster Area Rep.
The moment this was said the response from the best government in the world "not" was we have enough money to get us through to next year, can you smell it Irish people????? As if this wasnt bad enough they then showed the students getting hammered by guards batons for holding a peaceful protest

In roughly 60 days it will be next year!

Not to sound selfish but I wonder what knock on effects this could have on N.Ireland?
 

spuddy

Ulster Area Rep.
yeah december 21st 2012 the end of the world we know it they reckon?? already a film made about it and uk artist jay sean has a single about it! theyll even make money of the end of the world!ha

The end of the world thing is rubbish, the Mayan calender signals a new age, the age of aquarius I think. They were big into their new ages and beginings.
 

wesgt

Lifer
i don't remember saying dec 21st 2012 is the end of the world!!
supposedely it is the end of things as we know it, and a new age or beginning.
i said its looking more likely, this way of doing things can't go on.
 

spuddy

Ulster Area Rep.
i don't remember saying dec 21st 2012 is the end of the world!!
supposedely it is the end of things as we know it, and a new age or beginning.
i said its looking more likely, this way of doing things can't go on.

To be honest I never really read the posts properly :p
 

gv1.3

Admin
My Ramblings...

firstly... that 2012 shit is hype to sell a movie, and an absolutely rubbish movie at that.

I want to really try to pick the positives from this thread and prove a point that I have been trying to make with friends of mine and anyone that will listen for such a long time. If you read this thread from start to finish there is a running theme of dissatisfaction among everyone but also of collective agreement that the country is being run incorrectly and we need a complete overhaul of how we operate, beginning with the government.

A serious issue in Ireland is the inability to openly discuss politics. People generally keep their political views to themselves and often wont even tell you who they voted for, this is not helping our country right now. What we need is open discussion. The discussion in Ireland has shifted from 10 years of conversations about how much house prices were going up to "the recession". That term should be banned! It is like taling about a house on fire whilst standing there looking at it burning to the ground, you dont watch it burn down you tackle the issue and the aftermath might be less bad. The recession is not the problem the fire is the problem and the fire is being fueled by our government and the endemic corruption that has spread through the financial, construction, political and legal sectors of our society - Ireland is rotten to the core.

So you need to start where the problem lies, not try to patch over the issues and hope that somehow they go away, you need to cut out the rot immediately and stop it spreading any further.

Things have gone down so quickly in Ireland that we have not yet realised how bad they are, it is the shock factor, no different than been bitten by a dog and fighting it off only to begin feeling the pain ten or fifteen minutes later having initially believed you might have gotten away without any injury - the dog has bitten us and we will all start to feel the pain soon, some later than others but it is coming.

The biggest problem in Ireland is the absolute non-existence of accountability. Its not even a low level of same it is an absolute non-existence. In earlier posts people have brought up Mary Harney, our aptly nicknamed "Minister for Death". This woman is a complete failure, under her control we have had so many misdiagnoses that have led to deaths of citizens it is sickening. She installed a chap as the head of the HSE. Now when things go wrong our department of health point the finger at the HSE and the HSE points the finger back and on it goes... no person is ever held accountable, the buck does not stop with anyone.

Our Minister for finance who oversaw the economy as it went off the cliff is now the leader of our country, he is directly responsible for our countries finances now and we leave him in power after what he did.

Men who swindled hundreds of millions from our nations banks and put them in to their own bank accounts are walking the streets of Dublin as free as birds, our current minister for finance takes our tax payers money and uses it to pay back the millions these crooks have stolen.

In any country around the world those people who fail so badly at their jobs, recklessly endanger lives and steal from hard working people are dealt with by the law. In Ireland they are not dealt with by anyone because the fact of the matter is they control the law, they are essentially above the law, this is a sad fact but it is true.

History has shown us that there is only one single thing that can change a countries direction - its people. Irish people are currently not hurting enough to force them to stand up and do something about how their country has been hijacked. Unfortunately by the time they are hurting enough it will most probably be too late to do anything.

So to prove my point -
When people begin talking openly, like they have been in this thread, there is a passion displayed and a like minded feeling. We all actually do know there is a problem and we all know what that problem is. We are all prepared to discuss the problem and when we do so we inspire feelings of patriotism which extends across different political views and geographic locations, we are all just citizens that are concerned about our country. We no longer feel isolated, like we are the only ones who care and one person cannot make a difference. I bet we could get at least 3 or 4 people from this thread in to Dublin at government buildings to protest - I would go.

Now here is my point - if every person here took the time to discuss the current situation with their friends, family and anyone that will listen and when the next organised march is on demanded that their girlfriends, friends, family etc all go with them, the turn out could be BIG. If you speak to your friends and try get them to be as passionate about being a part of the solution as you are and they do the same to their friends momentum begins to gather and things snowball. As unlikely as this seems it can be done...people need to speak openly about politics and the challenges that face our country. You dont have to know anything about politics all you have to know is that you do not like what is going on - people need to take back their country and stop assuming someone else will do it, it is on every individual to do it themselves.
 

kellygt

Member +
firstly... that 2012 shit is hype to sell a movie, and an absolutely rubbish movie at that.

I want to really try to pick the positives from this thread and prove a point that I have been trying to make with friends of mine and anyone that will listen for such a long time. If you read this thread from start to finish there is a running theme of dissatisfaction among everyone but also of collective agreement that the country is being run incorrectly and we need a complete overhaul of how we operate, beginning with the government.

A serious issue in Ireland is the inability to openly discuss politics. People generally keep their political views to themselves and often wont even tell you who they voted for, this is not helping our country right now. What we need is open discussion. The discussion in Ireland has shifted from 10 years of conversations about how much house prices were going up to "the recession". That term should be banned! It is like taling about a house on fire whilst standing there looking at it burning to the ground, you dont watch it burn down you tackle the issue and the aftermath might be less bad. The recession is not the problem the fire is the problem and the fire is being fueled by our government and the endemic corruption that has spread through the financial, construction, political and legal sectors of our society - Ireland is rotten to the core.

So you need to start where the problem lies, not try to patch over the issues and hope that somehow they go away, you need to cut out the rot immediately and stop it spreading any further.

Things have gone down so quickly in Ireland that we have not yet realised how bad they are, it is the shock factor, no different than been bitten by a dog and fighting it off only to begin feeling the pain ten or fifteen minutes later having initially believed you might have gotten away without any injury - the dog has bitten us and we will all start to feel the pain soon, some later than others but it is coming.

The biggest problem in Ireland is the absolute non-existence of accountability. Its not even a low level of same it is an absolute non-existence. In earlier posts people have brought up Mary Harney, our aptly nicknamed "Minister for Death". This woman is a complete failure, under her control we have had so many misdiagnoses that have led to deaths of citizens it is sickening. She installed a chap as the head of the HSE. Now when things go wrong our department of health point the finger at the HSE and the HSE points the finger back and on it goes... no person is ever held accountable, the buck does not stop with anyone.

Our Minister for finance who oversaw the economy as it went off the cliff is now the leader of our country, he is directly responsible for our countries finances now and we leave him in power after what he did.

Men who swindled hundreds of millions from our nations banks and put them in to their own bank accounts are walking the streets of Dublin as free as birds, our current minister for finance takes our tax payers money and uses it to pay back the millions these crooks have stolen.

In any country around the world those people who fail so badly at their jobs, recklessly endanger lives and steal from hard working people are dealt with by the law. In Ireland they are not dealt with by anyone because the fact of the matter is they control the law, they are essentially above the law, this is a sad fact but it is true.

History has shown us that there is only one single thing that can change a countries direction - its people. Irish people are currently not hurting enough to force them to stand up and do something about how their country has been hijacked. Unfortunately by the time they are hurting enough it will most probably be too late to do anything.

So to prove my point -
When people begin talking openly, like they have been in this thread, there is a passion displayed and a like minded feeling. We all actually do know there is a problem and we all know what that problem is. We are all prepared to discuss the problem and when we do so we inspire feelings of patriotism which extends across different political views and geographic locations, we are all just citizens that are concerned about our country. We no longer feel isolated, like we are the only ones who care and one person cannot make a difference. I bet we could get at least 3 or 4 people from this thread in to Dublin at government buildings to protest - I would go.

Now here is my point - if every person here took the time to discuss the current situation with their friends, family and anyone that will listen and when the next organised march is on demanded that their girlfriends, friends, family etc all go with them, the turn out could be BIG. If you speak to your friends and try get them to be as passionate about being a part of the solution as you are and they do the same to their friends momentum begins to gather and things snowball. As unlikely as this seems it can be done...people need to speak openly about politics and the challenges that face our country. You dont have to know anything about politics all you have to know is that you do not like what is going on - people need to take back their country and stop assuming someone else will do it, it is on every individual to do it themselves.

If only we had honest inteligent hard working people in charge of the country like yourself Dylan we wouldnt be in the mess were in that speech would spur on an army
 

Ted

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human beings are pack animals at the end of the day. we always love the 'them against us' approach. no matter who got into power most joes on the street would think they were fucking things up. bottom line is most of us would stick our noses in the trough if we got elected to a high paid public sector job.

most politicians only care about the 5 years or so they get elected for. why tackle the big issues that strech 20 years into the future if it makes you unpopular now and wont get re-elected.

its the system, not the politicians.
 
human beings are pack animals at the end of the day. we always love the 'them against us' approach. no matter who got into power most joes on the street would think they were fucking things up. bottom line is most of us would stick our noses in the trough if we got elected to a high paid public sector job.

most politicians only care about the 5 years or so they get elected for. why tackle the big issues that strech 20 years into the future if it makes you unpopular now and wont get re-elected.

its the system, not the politicians.

The 'system' that you call it that exists in the Republic is a system that has been created BY the politicians. Fianna Fail have been in government in Ireland for all but 10 years since 1932. They are rotten to the core and have, through cronyism, brought about a situation that should NEVER have happened. Government should lead by example and take care of the majority not pander to the few who control most of the wealth. We had a situation in Ireland where the 'career unemployed' got EVERY benefit available and the very wealthy paid VERY little tax in comparison to what they earned and everyone in between got raped which was fine when times were good because we were all making good money and were willing to put up with it. Now that unemployment has reached all time highs they want US, the majority, to pay for the mistakes of the minority. Its wrong and its that simple
 

Ted

Member +
so change the system! 'they' are rotten to the core? human nature is that power corrupts. so the only way to sort this is not to put another set of politicians in to do the same thing. change the rules regarding what they can and cant do.

look at new labour in england in 1997, all fresh faced and full of good ideas and look where they ended up because they were allowed to do it.
 

kellygt

Member +
The 'system' that you call it that exists in the Republic is a system that has been created BY the politicians. Fianna Fail have been in government in Ireland for all but 10 years since 1932. They are rotten to the core and have, through cronyism, brought about a situation that should NEVER have happened. Government should lead by example and take care of the majority not pander to the few who control most of the wealth. We had a situation in Ireland where the 'career unemployed' got EVERY benefit available and the very wealthy paid VERY little tax in comparison to what they earned and everyone in between got raped which was fine when times were good because we were all making good money and were willing to put up with it. Now that unemployment has reached all time highs they want US, the majority, to pay for the mistakes of the minority. Its wrong and its that simple

I'd have to agree with you on that one Will
 
so change the system! 'they' are rotten to the core? human nature is that power corrupts. so the only way to sort this is not to put another set of politicians in to do the same thing. change the rules regarding what they can and cant do.

look at new labour in england in 1997, all fresh faced and full of good ideas and look where they ended up because they were allowed to do it.

Politics is a VERY sensitive issue in every country but ESPECIALLY in Ireland. People vote for Fianna Fail simply because their father voted for Fianna Fail. I have never voted for Fianna Fail myself, I have always voted for the opposition for the very reasons that you have suggested 'Power breeds Corruption' but when the rich and powerful are being looked after by those in Government and those in Government are being looked after by the rich and powerful and the majority of the voters back a party because of history then its very hard to change anything. Im not trying to knock your opinion but unless your from Ireland you won't understand the ins and outs of Irish politics, no more than I would understand the politics of the North unless you actually take a special interest in it (which you may very well do).

I cant comment on the 'New Labour' party Government in Britain simply because I know nothing about British politics but my view is that you should never leave one party in government for more than 10 years or they get complacent. Ah what REALLY pisses me off (and it happened at the last election in Ireland) was people saying "Ah sure, aren't they all the same. If we vote in the other crowed they'll be just as bad if not worse". Thats the biggest load of horse shit i have ever heard. I don't support ANY political party but how do these people think that they can read the future, how do you know that a new Party in Government are going to be shit unless you allow them the chance to be shit. Thats like saying buying a Lada and realising its a shit car and when it comes time to replace it, buying ANOTHER Lada and saying "Lada's are shit so obviously ALL cars are shit so i'm going to buy another Lada again this time".

We don't do it in ANY other part of our lives. If we do something and it doesn't work then we don't do it the same way again. If we buy something and its shit then we don't buy it again. So why, when we vote a party in and they're shit, do we vote them back in.
 
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