Its legal so IO guess talking about it isn't against the rules...

[5dr_gt_rep]

iv no probs with that stuff wud never take it but dont judge any1 that does
i dont drink or smoke or do any drugs and iv just turned 18
i cant drink because i get depressed for 2 weeks if i do and its not worth it! iv smoked weed bfore and would agin but thats as far as i would go ya might as wel go on cocaine if your on that stuff!!
even if they do ban it some one will still make a drug thats just as bad!!
but what anoys me is lads drivin and smoke or takin any of that stuff it hapens alot arund my area!!!

 

[HutchGlanzaV]

A gram is a hell of a lot (imo) to do in a night. If I do any I bomb 1/10 gram at a time and might use upto 1/2 gram over the course of the night.

The samples your mate took to test, were they direct from the internet or from a street dealer? Most sites claim upto 99.9% purity, but as Dylan said most of them come from China and we know how unscrupulous they can be!

 

[corofin12345]

came out of a local head shop...

 

[HutchGlanzaV]

Who knows then, maybe the head shop cut it with something? Its just the chance you take with pills and powders I guess. Although you'd like to think the head shop wouldn't cut it with something likely to kill its target market!

 

[easty-5]

I completely agree with everyone who says alcohol is worse than any illegal drug. It would be interesting to see the figures on how drug-related crime/deaths compare to alcohol-related crime/deaths for 2009. Drugs are illegal because the Government cannot put a tax on them and make money from them. Alcohol will never ever become illegal as the government makes an absolute fortune from it.

 

[HutchGlanzaV]

Bit of a radical idea but why not make everything legal? If you government produced it it would take all doubt out of stregth and purity and reduce crime by taking production out of the hands of the criminals (although in my opinion the government are a bunch of crooks anyway!). If it was government controlled everything could be regulated and fairly priced. It'll never happen I know but its a nice thought.

 

[SupaStu]

Cigarettes are "cut" with lots of tasty chemicals too. Just like the advertising on the packets displays, and its legal to suck that shit into you.

Nothing is pure, the only pure stuff resides in the country/location of original manufacture, after that it's a money generating exercise. Each additive increases amount/weight to sell, less QC but more cash, simples.

Mines a beer :beer:, and avoid bar nuts, cut with everyones piss.

The government should try to stick to their actual policies rather than chase media stories and sensationalism.

 

[Lawrence]

Bit of a radical idea but why not make everything legal? If you government produced it it would take all doubt out of stregth and purity and reduce crime by taking production out of the hands of the criminals (although in my opinion the government are a bunch of crooks anyway!). If it was government controlled everything could be regulated and fairly priced. It'll never happen I know but its a nice thought.

hahaha you aint to clever mate good luck with your future of a cabbage.

 

[Sharkman645]

Bit of a radical idea but why not make everything legal? If you government produced it it would take all doubt out of stregth and purity and reduce crime by taking production out of the hands of the criminals (although in my opinion the government are a bunch of crooks anyway!). If it was government controlled everything could be regulated and fairly priced. It'll never happen I know but its a nice thought.

Ah communism i believe they have tried that in a few places not very successful imo :haha:

 

[HutchGlanzaV]

hahaha you aint to clever mate good luck with your future of a cabbage.

Love to know how you come to the conclusion "I ain't to clever" (gud spellinz an gramaz btw).

Ah communism i believe they have tried that in a few places not very successful imo :haha:

Communism has nothing to do with drug policy. A liberal approach seems to work fairly well in Amsterdam.

Consider this. There are a reported 20,000 deaths related to the production of cocaine every year in Columbia. Those deaths are attributed to gang killings and landmines laid by the farmers to protect their crops. If it wasn't such a shady under ground operation would 20,000 people a year be losing their lives? Consider next the poppy fields of Afghanistan. We all know what a bloody mess it is over there at the minute, why not pay the farmers a "fair trade" style price for their produce? Not only would that reduce funding for terrorism it would bring some financial stability to Afghanistan as well as supply the UK with enough morphine to keep the NHS sorted and a nice "safe" regulated supply of heroin for heroin users. I'm sure the same principles can be applied to all drugs, not just the 2 I've highlighted.

Think about it that way Lawrence, seems to make more sense than you initially thought eh?

 

[mcleod]

its bubble aint it????

 

[HutchGlanzaV]

I have heard mephedrone called bubble. I've also heard methylone called bubble though.

 

[mcleod]

fuck knows it was white and burnt like fuck but gives the sort same rush as ecstasy

 

[HutchGlanzaV]

Sounds like mephedrone to me. Methylone gives a more MDMA-like experience I've heard and also Methylone does fuck all when snorted so I would say its safe to assume it was Mephedrone.

 

[Lawrence]

Love to know how you come to the conclusion "I ain't to clever" (gud spellinz an gramaz btw).



Communism has nothing to do with drug policy. A liberal approach seems to work fairly well in Amsterdam.

Consider this. There are a reported 20,000 deaths related to the production of cocaine every year in Columbia. Those deaths are attributed to gang killings and landmines laid by the farmers to protect their crops. If it wasn't such a shady under ground operation would 20,000 people a year be losing their lives? Consider next the poppy fields of Afghanistan. We all know what a bloody mess it is over there at the minute, why not pay the farmers a "fair trade" style price for their produce? Not only would that reduce funding for terrorism it would bring some financial stability to Afghanistan as well as supply the UK with enough morphine to keep the NHS sorted and a nice "safe" regulated supply of heroin for heroin users. I'm sure the same principles can be applied to all drugs, not just the 2 I've highlighted.

Think about it that way Lawrence, seems to make more sense than you initially thought eh?

No its about the greater good at the end of the day, making a drug like these legal so everyone can get addicted is the dumbest idea Ive heard sorry. I dont think you quite understand the way these drugs ruin and take over people lives.

 

[HutchGlanzaV]

So what you are saying Lawrence is that if heroin was legal you would be rushing out to get a nice big vein full? Legality isn't really an issue in my opinion, if people want to take drugs they will.

 

[gv1.3]

No its about the greater good at the end of the day, making a drug like these legal so everyone can get addicted is the dumbest idea Ive heard sorry. I dont think you quite understand the way these drugs ruin and take over people lives.

I have been to Amsterdam a few times and have also been to California where there are more legal dispensaries than starbucks and "everyone" is not addicted like you suggest.

This argument that everyone would suddenly rush out and become addicted to drugs is absurd. Alcohol is legal and the majority of people are not alcoholics.

I fully understand how drugs ruin and take over peoples lives, it happens all around us. Surely this shows you that the people who want to use drugs and destroy their lives with them can already do so even though they are illegal? There is no evidence to suggest that making those drugs legal would increase the amount of people addicted to them. It would however allow us to regulate the supply ensuring quality control and reducing associated crime.

One thing is for sure, if you continue to take the same actions you will continue to get the same results. The governments policy towards drugs has not worked. If they continue doing the same thing it will continue to not work. If they actually changed direction and tried a different approach it might yield better results.

Look at prostitution in Glasgow I think it was. Women were being attacked, robbed and murdered. It was obvious that they were not going to stop selling themselves so the government setup a safe street for them to use which is lit up well. This reduced the number or violent attacks and moved the trade in to a non-residential area. Sure they could have stuck to their moral guns but they didnt, they actually wanted to make the situation a little better.

 

[HutchGlanzaV]

Another example is when cannabis was reclassified as a class C drug rather than a class B drug. During this period cannabis use actually DROPPED, this kinda kills your arguement Lawrence. It was only reclassified as a class B drug due to the media raving about high stregths of "super skunk" and the government, as usual, showing no back bone or listening to the experts they put in place and pay to advise on these matters.

 

[Lawrence]

I have been to Amsterdam a few times and have also been to California where there are more legal dispensaries than starbucks and "everyone" is not addicted like you suggest.

This argument that everyone would suddenly rush out and become addicted to drugs is absurd. Alcohol is legal and the majority of people are not alcoholics.

I fully understand how drugs ruin and take over peoples lives, it happens all around us. Surely this shows you that the people who want to use drugs and destroy their lives with them can already do so even though they are illegal? There is no evidence to suggest that making those drugs legal would increase the amount of people addicted to them. It would however allow us to regulate the supply ensuring quality control and reducing associated crime.

One thing is for sure, if you continue to take the same actions you will continue to get the same results. The governments policy towards drugs has not worked. If they continue doing the same thing it will continue to not work. If they actually changed direction and tried a different approach it might yield better results.

Look at prostitution in Glasgow I think it was. Women were being attacked, robbed and murdered. It was obvious that they were not going to stop selling themselves so the government setup a safe street for them to use which is lit up well. This reduced the number or violent attacks and moved the trade in to a non-residential area. Sure they could have stuck to their moral guns but they didnt, they actually wanted to make the situation a little better.

I can not understand how legalizing the likes of cocaine and heroin so it is widely available in you local corner shops is going to help. I think a hell of allot of naive people would be more likely to try it as of a result get addicted. You say you dont go down the pub and get addicted to a pint of beer ill agree, i am under the impression these drugs are on a much higher level, especially when you get prostitutes as you say willing to sell there body just to get there next fix. Am i not making any sense can anyone help me out cause i finding it hard to get my point across lol.

 

[sacodetoro]

, why not pay the farmers a "fair trade" style price for their produce?

I think you have mis-understood the situation in Afghanistan, the farmers get plenty for the poppies, a fair trade scheme for the alternative produce is what needs to be put in place.

Do you honestly think legalising the production and selling will mean that the profits no longer fund crime and terrorism?

It's extremely unlikely, just because you legalise their activity doesn't mean they will stop doing it, the profits will still go to the same places.
All they will do is ramp up production, never mind the fact it won't be as much of an open market for new firms as you think, all it will breed is other forms of crime in the guise of intimidation etc to stop other people selling.