max'd out potential?

GaryGT

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I appreciate your opinion, but that's all it is. You're not the end all authority on turbo sizing. This car was built with particular goals in mind and a smaller, less laggy turbo was not going to achieve them. As mentioned previously, with further modifications and a raised rev limit the car has a very usable powerband. Whilst not perfect for the winding road I'm sure Ryan can testify that it's still more than capable of performing on the street ;)

I never said a stock motor running 400hp was going to last forever. Just that it's entirely feasible.

What are u gonna achieve on a STOCK motor with a HUGE Turbo highering the REV Range
is it breathing more??? ehhhhh NO
throw up the DYNO to show ur raised REV limIT and ur huge Powerband difference.
WE AWAIT UR REPLY
 

Texx

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What are u gonna achieve on a STOCK motor with a HUGE Turbo highering the REV Range
is it breathing more??? ehhhhh NO

-custom made 3 inch downpipe
-ported and polished head
-272 degree franklin cams
-stainless manifold
-2.5 inch intercooler piping
-Varex variable valve exhaust with remote controls
- black front mount intercooler
-custom alluminim cold air box and intake system with k & n pod filter
-Nissan throttle body
-Ported and matched intake and exhaust

Ehhh! Possibly!
 

Fatman

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What are u gonna achieve on a STOCK motor with a HUGE Turbo highering the REV Range
is it breathing more??? ehhhhh NO
throw up the DYNO to show ur raised REV limIT and ur huge Powerband difference.
WE AWAIT UR REPLY

Ehhhhh.. yes. It's running 272 degree cams with significantly higher lift, custom valve springs, ported head, ported intake manifold, bigger plenum and larger throttlebody. So yes, it's breathing a great deal more.

It's not my car, I've just done a bit of work on it. I don't have the graph from the latest power run, however I can ask ryan if he does.
 

kellygt

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I appreciate your opinion, but that's all it is. You're not the end all authority on turbo sizing. This car was built with particular goals in mind and a smaller, less laggy turbo was not going to achieve them. As mentioned previously, with further modifications and a raised rev limit the car has a very usable powerband. Whilst not perfect for the winding road I'm sure Ryan can testify that it's still more than capable of performing on the street ;)

I never said a stock motor running 400hp was going to last forever. Just that it's entirely feasible.

x2
 

billybob

Untrusted Seller
I appreciate your opinion, but that's all it is. You're not the end all authority on turbo sizing. This car was built with particular goals in mind and a smaller, less laggy turbo was not going to achieve them. As mentioned previously, with further modifications and a raised rev limit the car has a very usable powerband. Whilst not perfect for the winding road I'm sure Ryan can testify that it's still more than capable of performing on the street ;)

I never said a stock motor running 400hp was going to last forever. Just that it's entirely feasible.
you say you can run 11s 10s with that car what sort of drag strips you running over there down hill ones like the jamacans that do the same thing 10s second runs,with that lag monster you have there id say 14s and youd be lucky.bring it to the track when you get a chance or like you said theres a few of yous running 10s over there any videos :):)or another excuse,we dont bring camras to the drag strip:p:p:p
 

Fatman

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:rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKWQ9VfEuCc

That's another local boy running a stock 5e with 4e pistons, 330bhp or thereabouts running an 11.75 at 122mph. Plenty of documentation available of his setup. If you listen closely, he's also got a bit of clutch slipping issues, that car had more in it. That car did many THOUSANDS of miles with that setup and engine.

It's been proven time and time again that our one dragstrip (worth mentioning) is slower than most of the strips over the ditch in aussie, they have several starlets in the 11's I believe. The track surface here is nothing to brag about, it's pretty bloody slippery most of the time.

If you don't think that Ryans car running launch control, timing retard flat shifting, boost by TPS position and hoosier drag radials is capable of better than a 14 then you clearly have ZERO credibility and should really stop posting here.
 
Fatman your wasting your time you could through up every bit of proof and they still wont believe you for one simple reason:

They couldnt do it.

Now all he has shown that it is feasible to do so. Yes it has a small power band which could lead to why it hasnt blown so soon but everyone is straying away from the original post by fatman that it can be acheived.
 

Fatman

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As a parting shot before I hit the hay (it's 3am here) perhaps it's just a question of driver skill? Our very own finx is running 13's on a stock CT9 and there's more in it, it's not just a big turbo that can lay down a fast time.

My own car is nearing completion, I will be documenting the install and tuning process as I get ready for the start of the drag racing season next month. My initial goal for the first couple of meets is to achieve a 13 second pass, end of the season I'd like to be into the 12's. Total investment in engine/turbo/exhaust/ecu/tuning/injectors and everything else involved? Less than £1000.
 

Fatman

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Fatman your wasting your time you could through up every bit of proof and they still wont believe you for one simple reason:

They couldnt do it.

Thanks Captain Starlet.

I may never convince the naysayers that are arguing with me but I might just open up some other minds to the possibilities that exist with these cars. Getting ground into a stagnant community where there's a given recipe (which involves huge quantities of money) to achieve a given goal is going to lead to the death of innovation in the field.

I want to see some crazy ideas and people trying new things to break ground in the starlet tuning scene!
 

HutchGlanzaV

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If figures like that can be achieved on the "weak" stock internals what are you guys getting out of uprated, forged internals? 1000whp anyone? :p :rockon:
 

GaryGT

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Ehhhhh.. yes. It's running 272 degree cams with significantly higher lift, custom valve springs, ported head, ported intake manifold, bigger plenum and larger throttlebody. So yes, it's breathing a great deal more.

It's not my car, I've just done a bit of work on it. I don't have the graph from the latest power run, however I can ask ryan if he does.

so its has HEAD WORK good show
You wud have to Revv out to 10000RPm to get a Powerband with that Turboand ur STOCK RODS would bend like S hooks or are u boys Gonna SAY no way and that clearly ur STOCK ROD WUD DEFO REV to 10000rpm no bother in NEWZEALANd !!
haha its a laugh really but fare play to ya boys keep up the Good work :p
us NORMAL folk will just go back to the real world clearly something you boys are NOT IN!!





STOCK INTERNALS TOYOTA 4E = 400BHP
TOYOTA SHOULD WIN AN ENGINEERING AWARD FOR SURE FOR THE MIGHTY 4E ENGINE


:beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer:
 

bigdoods

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there is a full spec list there for 350bhp.all the ingredients are there.why doesnt somebody tuning in the uk try it?
 

Toyota T23

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Well sometimes peuple make numbers that orther wont belive.
My friend had same problem when he dyno't 638hp on stock 4agze pistons and rods.
Those americans wont belive it :)

Not sayind this is correct :)
 

Beaker

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It makes me laugh when people on here say things arent possible. Just because you personally cant do it doesnt mean its not possible.
 

billybob

Untrusted Seller
:rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKWQ9VfEuCc

That's another local boy running a stock 5e with 4e pistons, 330bhp or thereabouts running an 11.75 at 122mph. Plenty of documentation available of his setup. If you listen closely, he's also got a bit of clutch slipping issues, that car had more in it. That car did many THOUSANDS of miles with that setup and engine.

It's been proven time and time again that our one dragstrip (worth mentioning) is slower than most of the strips over the ditch in aussie, they have several starlets in the 11's I believe. The track surface here is nothing to brag about, it's pretty bloody slippery most of the time.

If you don't think that Ryans car running launch control, timing retard flat shifting, boost by TPS position and hoosier drag radials is capable of better than a 14 then you clearly have ZERO credibility and should really stop posting here.

ahh the mighty 5e run sure 11s is easy done with that engine thats the job:)
 

Phil

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also like gary said, revving to way over stock rev limit, with more power than 300hp is going to bend rods.. very much so. :(

Phil
 

GaryGT

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also like gary said, revving to way over stock rev limit, with more power than 300hp is going to bend rods.. very much so. :(

Phil

WASTING UR TIME Phil clearly they LOVE der NARROW POWER BANDS ON STOCK INTERNALS clearly!!


different FOLKS for different strokes
but clearly if we were to get all technical and maybe start breaking things down a bit like say the Pistons material composition and then get the specs on this and then work out its Limits,(stress limits , Heat ,friction) also the rings and then we could go and break down the HEADGASKET composition!! which clearly will not run 1.5bar boost end of story.
whos up for the Challenge???
Or will we just all go with the theory if u DONT BELIEVE ITS BECAUSE U HAVENT DONE IT???????????????????????even tho im building E-series engines for the last 8 years(forged and stock) to all specs required and working with them the last 10 years???????????
Hard FACTS dont lie.
U THROW HIGH BOOST ( 1.5 Bar) at a stock engine 4E that is its gonna let GO!!
 

Shorty

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what a read!! without a doubt one off the best threads in a long time. but i hav NEVER seen a thread get soooo off topic!!!!


Awesome
 

Fatman

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WASTING UR TIME Phil clearly they LOVE der NARROW POWER BANDS ON STOCK INTERNALS clearly!!


different FOLKS for different strokes
but clearly if we were to get all technical and maybe start breaking things down a bit like say the Pistons material composition and then get the specs on this and then work out its Limits,(stress limits , Heat ,friction) also the rings and then we could go and break down the HEADGASKET composition!! which clearly will not run 1.5bar boost end of story.
whos up for the Challenge???
Or will we just all go with the theory if u DONT BELIEVE ITS BECAUSE U HAVENT DONE IT???????????????????????even tho im building E-series engines for the last 8 years(forged and stock) to all specs required and working with them the last 10 years???????????
Hard FACTS dont lie.
U THROW HIGH BOOST ( 1.5 Bar) at a stock engine 4E that is its gonna let GO!!

Good lord man, all I'm doing is sharing some details of a car and trying to provoke some discussion a bit more interesting than which fpr you need to run 1bar on a ct9. As you say.. hard FACTS don't lie. Here's some more.

Yes, it's had headwork and raised the rev limit AFTER that graph. At the time of that 350bhp graph it was an UNOPENED MOTOR. e.g 140,000+ km stock standard untouched, standard head gasket, standard manifolds. Yes, in standard form this does give a very apparent narrow power band on the dyno sheet, however in practice it was quite usable. Unfortunately it never ran the 1/4 mile in this state, but it certainly would have done better than 14's with an experienced driver at the wheel.

It ran on the tune and spec from that graph for months, daily driven, running 1.5bar on pump fuel. I couldn't give you an exact timeline but I believe it would have been at least 6 months. Prior to that it was running a TD04L turbo and almost as much boost! All in all the car had a couple years of your mystical HIGH BOOST without so much as a single niggle with reliability up until it cracked a ring land due to fuel.

The car I posted a video of was running 1.5 bar on a stock headgasket and had been for many months, various other turbo setups in various states of tune for many months before that. It continued on reliably for another 18 months after that video before being sold.

Sponsor me the costs, I will do a heavily documented factory spec rebuild of a standard 4e-fte and then lay down 350bhp. Hell I'll even use second hand pistons if it makes you feel any better.

If you've been building E series motors for 8+ years and can say with conviction that the stock headgasket won't take more than 1bar, then I must conclude you don't know what the hell you're talking about.. it's been proven time and time again, here and in plenty of other places (that all run faster times than england) that it's not only possible, it's consistently possible and reliable.
 
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