max'd out potential?

[_GAZ_EP85_]

like i said im not saying it cant be done, just i cant see it lasting out on track for 20-30mins at a time,
what ecu, HG, boost etc

 

[Fatman]

Before anybody asks about the photos, the air filter is where it is because the car still has AC! Photos are recent.

Some specs:

-custom made 3 inch downpipe
- vf28 from 2005 wrx sti
-walbro 500hp fuel pump
-supra injectors
-new link g4 storm
-ported and polished head
-272 degree franklin cams
-stronger valve springs
-stainless manifold
-38 mm tial external wastegate
-tial bov
-2.5 inch intercooler piping
-Varex variable valve exhaust with remote controls
- black front mount intercooler
-custom alluminim cold air box and intake system with k & n pod filter
-Nissan throttle body
-Ported and matched intake and exhaust
-kevlar clutch

This is the current spec, this is the setup that laid down 240wkw. Engine has now been built with forged internals (spool forged conrods and forged pistons, new oil pump, arp 4a head studs and bolts, 4agze main bolts, main bearings, Rotating assembly balanced.

 

[billybob]

and what turbo was it RUNNING,,id say its been forged built as you blow the thing skyhigh lad,was that running on a standerd map sensor too

 

[WallaceGlanza]

and what turbo was it RUNNING

vf28 as it clearly states.:homer:

You'd argue with a brick wall....:argue:

 

[Fatman]

im very proud of ya weres the videos 400bhp now on standerds your away with the fairys:beer:

No doubt more people will ask 'where are the vids?'

Have you tried to keep a camera on the speedo while trying to put 350+hp to the ground in a lightweight fwd car? Are you aware just how rapid this thing is? To maintain even a semblance of legality i can only show you a 2nd gear run, as anybody with a starlet (even mildly modified) knows that any more power beyond a 1bar ct9 setup isn't going to go much faster on street tires.

I have tested this thing personally to beyond 140mph and it gets there *very* quickly.

 

[Phil]

i have Ryans EMU in my car now (talk about a puzzler lol) and i remember all the same chat before, you have went forged and standalone now yeah?

i gotta say, im a believer lol i spoke to ryan alot of times on msn etc and he isnt out to decieve, just a genuine guy with some money who didnt care whether the engine blew or not lol

plus he has looked at parts of the engine we can ignore, cams/head/inlet mani/throttle body/not afraid of big revs or standalone ecu's.

Phil

 

[billybob]

No doubt more people will ask 'where are the vids?'

Have you tried to keep a camera on the speedo while trying to put 350+hp to the ground in a lightweight fwd car? Are you aware just how rapid this thing is? To maintain even a semblance of legality i can only show you a 2nd gear run, as anybody with a starlet (even mildly modified) knows that any more power beyond a 1bar ct9 setup isn't going to go much faster on street tires.

I have tested this thing personally to beyond 140mph and it gets there *very* quickly.

so do we all my mates car runs 155mph with videos lad 1.5 bottom end

 

[Fatman]

i have Ryans EMU in my car now (talk about a puzzler lol) and i remember all the same chat before, you have went forged and standalone now yeah?

i gotta say, im a believer lol i spoke to ryan alot of times on msn etc and he isnt out to decieve, just a genuine guy with some money who didnt care whether the engine blew or not lol

plus he has looked at parts of the engine we can ignore, cams/head/inlet mani/throttle body/not afraid of big revs or standalone ecu's.

Phil

Cheers for the backup phil

For its highest power run to date it was running a Link G4 Storm but still on stock internals. It might be a standard bottom end but it has had a lot of attention paid to the bolt ons.

Speaking to ryan on msn this evening, car is completed and currently being run in ready for its final tune.

 

[Fatman]

so do we all my mates car runs 155mph with videos lad 1.5 bottom end

Never said it was top speed mate, that's just to the top of 4th gear

 

[billybob]

bye bye ladys im out of here take care :argue:

 

[bigdoods]

very interesting thread.that inlet mani...what model nissan is the throttle body off, with the stock runners is it?

 

[GaryGT]

at the end of the Day ur not running LOW boost
and number 2 look at the DYNO sheet
ur power band is very Narrow
try throwing 1.5 bar at the 4E engine lower down in the rev range and see how u fare it would be BANG bye bye 4E (ud have to change that Laggy turbo)

what u have at the minute is hitting big boost @ 6000RPM and coming off @ 7000rpm and ur power droppping rite off @ 7200rpm
LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG Central
Put the Kettle on every1 will have a cup of TEA before this yoke comes on boost


Narrow Power bands aint worth a Fuck
But hey Different FOLKS for different strokes
interesting Thread tho

 

[billybob]

at the end of the Day ur not running LOW boost
and number 2 look at the DYNO sheet
ur power band is very Narrow
try throwing 1.5 bar at the 4E engine lower down in the rev range and see how u fare it would be BANG bye bye 4E (ud have to change that Laggy turbo)

what u have at the minute is hitting big boost @ 6000RPM and coming off @ 7000rpm and ur power droppping rite off @ 7200rpm
LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG Central
Put the Kettle on every1 will have a cup of TEA before this yoke comes on boost


Narrow Power bands aint worth a Fuck
But hey Different FOLKS for different strokes
interesting Thread tho

your right lad,thank fuck our cars over here are not tuned like that a quarter mile run with that setup shit id have a bang with that me running a push bike :haha::haha::haha:

 

[kellygt]

there modifed not standerd ones some of them :homer:advance is stanerd if you read the thead right

The only thing upgraded on them is the turbo buddy how long have
you owned your car?????? I was reading about these cars back as
far as 10 years ago I have owned a 92 Gt turbo and a 96 Glanza v
from 2001 up you dont have to believe it if you dont want to thats
your opinion there not forcing you too they have shown you a graph...

 

[Fatman]

very interesting thread.that inlet mani...what model nissan is the throttle body off, with the stock runners is it?

Inlet manifold is a standard item that has been been port matched to the ported head, the plenum has been cut, expanded and welded up for double the stock volume. The throttle body is (I believe, I may be incorrect) from an S15 Silvia, SR20DET with a custom throttle pulley to suit the standard throttle cable.

at the end of the Day ur not running LOW boost
and number 2 look at the DYNO sheet
ur power band is very Narrow
try throwing 1.5 bar at the 4E engine lower down in the rev range and see how u fare it would be BANG bye bye 4E (ud have to change that Laggy turbo)

what u have at the minute is hitting big boost @ 6000RPM and coming off @ 7000rpm and ur power droppping rite off @ 7200rpm
LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG Central
Put the Kettle on every1 will have a cup of TEA before this yoke comes on boost


Narrow Power bands aint worth a Fuck
But hey Different FOLKS for different strokes
interesting Thread tho

What difference does it matter what boost it's running? It achieves the power levels people say are impossible. If you think hitting boost LOWER in the rev range is going to put more of a strain on the motor then you're mistaken, this thing would function just as well running a smaller turbo, it just wouldn't be able to achieve the high end airflow required for the power goals. Since that graph that I posted it had several key parts modified and now has a much wider powerband. Full boost comes in (if i remember correctly) about 1000 revs earlier and the rev limit is currently 8,000. It never drops off boost or out of the torque curve when shifting gears, it's significantly less laggy than the HRF GT for instance but is laying down similar numbers to the wheels. It's not everybodys cup of tea, certainly not what I would do (and have done by the way) but it's what Ryan wanted and damn is it impressive.

Any other questions?

And yes, for those that missed it, it made that 350bhp on the stock manifold. I even have the manifold sitting here.

 

[Fatman]

your right lad,thank fuck our cars over here are not tuned like that a quarter mile run with that setup shit id have a bang with that me running a push bike :haha::haha::haha:

lol This car will be running 11's comfortably once it's tuned, it will certainly have the power to go deep into the 10's traction dependant. As this is a street car (and daily driven) there won't be any crazy drag only setup. Can't say that there are too many starlets doing 11's around your way mate? We've got several.

 

[GaryGT]

The only thing upgraded on them is the turbo buddy how long have
you owned your car?????? I was reading about these cars back as
far as 10 years ago I have owned a 92 Gt turbo and a 96 Glanza v
from 2001 up you dont have to believe it if you dont want to thats
your opinion there not forcing you too they have shown you a graph...

I have E-series engines the last 10 years
at the end of the Day if u wanna BIG POWER GRAPH its easily GOT
if u want out and out Performance its not easily got from a 4E
NOW IF u can read dyno graphs or even know how an engine works or even know about where its effeciency is then ul know that the setup mentioned wouldnt pull u outta bed!! Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagy as fuck
Ive had experience with All types of TURBOS throughout the years
R&D is the name of the Game ( Reasearch and development)
the simple Answer to the orignal Question is
A stock engine will Not last long running High boost in its Effeciency Range. STOCK INTERNALS , STOCK HG is SAFE RUNNING 1 BAR all day long case closed.
Powerband is important so if ur not getting one then ur SETUP IS WRONG



regards

G

 

[Rumel786]

Im not doubting the fact it cant be done...im doubting the fact it will not last long.

Can you guys remember bulletooths thread?

i personally ran a td04 hybrid on stock engine and have blew a piston ring.

Running a stock 4efte engine at power levels of 380hp is totally outrageous and i cannot see the engine coping for long.

 

[Phil]

Gary could be completely right in that the engine only making this power for a couple of secs top of the rev range might not put the same stress of the engine that it would say with 1.8bar/ or whatever @5000rpm!??!

i just dont know. there has to be some reason he is getting away with it!? laggy turbo means that alot of the tuning time can be spent on the wee bit of the map when the car is actually making power and make it safe/ no knock det or whatever you want to call it.

running that small a powerband would have its slight advantages, the figure for a start!
but on a road etc you'd need big ass revs to make it worthwhile? no?

Phil

 

[Fatman]

I have E-series engines the last 10 years
at the end of the Day if u wanna BIG POWER GRAPH its easily GOT
if u want out and out Performance its not easily got from a 4E
NOW IF u can read dyno graphs or even know how an engine works or even know about where its effeciency is then ul know that the setup mentioned wouldnt pull u outta bed!! Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagy as fuck
Ive had experience with All types of TURBOS throughout the years
R&D is the name of the Game ( Reasearch and development)
the simple Answer to the orignal Question is
A stock engine will Not last long running High boost in its Effeciency Range. STOCK INTERNALS , STOCK HG is SAFE RUNNING 1 BAR all day long case closed.
Powerband is important so if ur not getting one then ur SETUP IS WRONG

I appreciate your opinion, but that's all it is. You're not the end all authority on turbo sizing. This car was built with particular goals in mind and a smaller, less laggy turbo was not going to achieve them. As mentioned previously, with further modifications and a raised rev limit the car has a very usable powerband. Whilst not perfect for the winding road I'm sure Ryan can testify that it's still more than capable of performing on the street

I never said a stock motor running 400hp was going to last forever. Just that it's entirely feasible.