Pics of my cracked SPS mani after 3 months....

affy

Lifer
was just about to buy a race coated mani and its been heat wrapped, i'm worried now, was just bout to send the money when i come across this thread :confused:
 

Blak_Mamber

Member +
i understand :),

although it states its mint condition so should be ok, will be purchasing it today then hopefully just wating for a reply

Im sure it will be cool mate, looks like trapped water/moisture etc. played a big part in the cracking of the manifold at the beginning of this thread.

You gonna take of the heat wrap when you get it?
 

Gryzor

Admin
What I think happened is the heat wrap + coating caused excessive heat to build up, which caused a crack in the coating to appear. The heat wrap then got wet which allowed water into the crack, which over time completely rusted and fucked the mani. That's my 2p.

you'll be telling us next the water froze and made the cracks bigger. rust doesn't appear like that after 3 months.:homer:
 

Dane_Bristol

Member +
I could of had manifolds made that i could of offered a 3 year warrantys or liftetime warrantys on but the price to get these made using the best quality stainless steel and fabrication would cost around the 400-450 mark for a Ct9 manifold. Unfortunately due to the fact that labour costs are expensive here in the UK the price would always be alot more expeneive that wat it would cost someone else to make overseas. I know for a fact that i would not have sold many at all.

Thats the difficult part getting the quality 100% and the price right down.

I sold 100s of manifolds in my time and yeah few caused issues but on the whole my manifolds where great. You are always going to get bad apples, always when you are selling that that price range and quantity.

I moved on later to supply the high end quality but again you do not get many sales because everyone looks at the PRICE :(.

The hybrid High Flow manifolds that i had made i sold 4 of them because people just didnt have the money to spend on high quality manifolds instead they see a cheap manifold and think ok lets give that a go. I tried to get them as best i could but as i will keep on stating its impossible to keep every single manifold perfect and with 100s of manifolds in circulation its a massive market presence which means there is bound to be ones that might cause issues. Unfortunately its just the way it is in the world of manifolds.

These where the high end TD04 kits and a lucky few have :)

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Fatman

Member +
Thanks for the info but can I just confirm this was mild steel not stainless...

I realise the original part was mild, just quite a few people were posting examples of stainless. In your case moisture + some unusual heat related problems due to the coating led to a fairly dramatic failure. I wouldn't say it's due to the workmanship or quality of the initial product.

you'll be telling us next the water froze and made the cracks bigger. rust doesn't appear like that after 3 months.:homer:

Mate have you ever actually SEEN steel? Yes, rust can appear like that VERY rapidly. When you weld something, that welded area is always going to be vulnerable to corrosion, far more so than the surrounding metal. What we see on the OP's manifold is something that got very, very hot, then moist over many cycles. Hot enough that it changed the nature of the material, making it more brittle, leading to the obvious conclusion.

These where the high end TD04 kits and a lucky few have :)

Looks like an awesome bit of kit.

I've long admired your conduct as a trader, it's a very difficult line to walk, balancing cost with quality and maintaining a good reputation is difficult at the best of times, nigh on impossible on this forum. There are always going to be cheap manifolds and they are always going to fail. Rather than blaming the seller, instead look at your own purchasing habits. People should find out what things actually cost before they go slagging off somebody trying their best.
 

sx_turbo

Lifer
I've long admired your conduct as a trader, it's a very difficult line to walk, balancing cost with quality and maintaining a good reputation is difficult at the best of times, nigh on impossible on this forum. There are always going to be cheap manifolds and they are always going to fail. Rather than blaming the seller, instead look at your own purchasing habits. People should find out what things actually cost before they go slagging off somebody trying their best.

x2
 

billybob

Untrusted Seller
not trying to put any manifold builders down but i got 4 manifolds mild steel ones from sacha 2years ago and there still running strong no cracks what so ever,but hey some people get bad luck and some dont the luck of the draw.friend of mine has sps manifold aswell no bother seems he likes them:)
 

Gryzor

Admin
Mate have you ever actually SEEN steel? Yes, rust can appear like that VERY rapidly. When you weld something, that welded area is always going to be vulnerable to corrosion, far more so than the surrounding metal. What we see on the OP's manifold is something that got very, very hot, then moist over many cycles. Hot enough that it changed the nature of the material, making it more brittle, leading to the obvious conclusion.

Sorry Fatboy, it wasn't just the welded area it was the whole manifold. Manifold's are design to get very hot and not get brittle, moisture on the brain I think.
 
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Mike D EP82

Member +
wouldnt worry to much mate, my mani cracke din the exact same places, 1st the 1st runner then across all 4. at least they are weldable being mild steel
 

Gryzor

Admin
Below are pictures of my manifold removed after 6 months on the car, its condition was pretty much the same as the first post here.
I have no issue at all with Dane, and his Customer care is excellent.

pictures....

 

Mike D EP82

Member +
yeah i can say the same, its not dane who made them anyway, he had them made. i told him about my manifold and he offered to pay forit to be welded which i refused. as its just one of these things. hes a top bloke and hasnt done a toby aspinall on us.
 

Dane_Bristol

Member +
yeah i can say the same, its not dane who made them anyway, he had them made. i told him about my manifold and he offered to pay forit to be welded which i refused. as its just one of these things. hes a top bloke and hasnt done a toby aspinall on us.

Thanks mate certainly wouldnt do the last thing that you mentioned in your reply !.

I try to help out where i can and everyone who has dealt with me will know that i always answered PM's quickly and always tried to help out where i could.
 

popsy09

Munster Area Rep.
I could of had manifolds made that i could of offered a 3 year warrantys or liftetime warrantys on but the price to get these made using the best quality stainless steel and fabrication would cost around the 400-450 mark for a Ct9 manifold. Unfortunately due to the fact that labour costs are expensive here in the UK the price would always be alot more expeneive that wat it would cost someone else to make overseas. I know for a fact that i would not have sold many at all.

Thats the difficult part getting the quality 100% and the price right down.

I sold 100s of manifolds in my time and yeah few caused issues but on the whole my manifolds where great. You are always going to get bad apples, always when you are selling that that price range and quantity.

I moved on later to supply the high end quality but again you do not get many sales because everyone looks at the PRICE :(.

The hybrid High Flow manifolds that i had made i sold 4 of them because people just didnt have the money to spend on high quality manifolds instead they see a cheap manifold and think ok lets give that a go. I tried to get them as best i could but as i will keep on stating its impossible to keep every single manifold perfect and with 100s of manifolds in circulation its a massive market presence which means there is bound to be ones that might cause issues. Unfortunately its just the way it is in the world of manifolds.

These where the high end TD04 kits and a lucky few have :)

DSC_0955.jpg

ya like me !!!!!!!!!!! cant wait to fit this bad boy !!!!
 

ChrisGT

Member +
you'll be telling us next the water froze and made the cracks bigger. rust doesn't appear like that after 3 months.:homer:

That's exactly what happened! This is a perfect example of freeze-thaw weathering if you ask me. Water got in the cracks, froze and expanded causing the huge crack. That's what I reckon. :homer:
 

Texx

Super Moderator
My manifold, been on the car almost a year now and covered approx 10k miles.
There's a small stress crack next to a weld at the collector, but hasn't got any worse since it appeared about 3 months ago. Dane offered to have it repaired for me, but it's not bothered me enough to take it off and get it sorted.

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