kieran.s gt
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sir are insured easy enuf but type r,s are usually 21 and over
but the law in ireland is if he has a policy with an insurance company already they have to cover him if he changes it over
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sir are insured easy enuf but type r,s are usually 21 and over
but the law in ireland is if he has a policy with an insurance company already they have to cover him if he changes it over
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Didn't bother reading all the pages,lol.I had a red SiR,was mint but found the whole vtec thing boring.Had to drive the thing like fuck just to get it going properlly.They do look the proper sex though
Heres a pic of mine........
I like that... looks nice in red with the black wheels
At the free run on the drag strip at halfar I watched hondas do laps of the strip again and again and again non stop and no issues.. they are an amazing engine if you want a car you can drive the shit out of and punish.
From all the talk I heard about the handling of the ITR I was really disappointed when I drove one it was stock though and went sideways when I tried to put it through a roundabout at speed. My girlfriends 7th gen celica which is also stock would eat one alive through the bends without any doubt in my mind!
I spoke to the guys in that place up at the red cow in Dublin - cant remember the name now and they said that when they do track days in modello all they use is integra and civic type r's as stock they are great around the track and they will go all day without overheating.... so I guess different people will have hugely different opinions. Would love to see the 190bhp 7th gen celica go against the ITR around a track though. The styling of the celica wouldnt be to my taste but my god it handles so well.. that is the type of car you get into and when you get out you feel like you have totally under estimated it whereas with the honda I got out feeling Id been let down.
No info on them, but im sure google does
I dont like them to be honest, your mate would be better in a Glanza or a GT. My mate has one up north with mani&decat installed and it aint that quick.
Christy
A SIR civic will EAT a glanza alive! There not even in the same league!
You would need to turn up the boost amongst other things to keep up with one.
I have NEVER been up against a glanza or gt that could even touch my car. SIR's have LSD's as standard, 168bhp and VTEC! Hard to beat!!!
You wanna check that she doesn't puff too much black smoke when the vtec engages, ask the guy selling it does it burn much oil, and then just the usual stuff, brakes, starting etc. You cant go wrong with a good one! B series engines are bomb proof!
No they don't all have lsd's as standard it was an option and they do 8's to 100 km/h I have seen them do a few runs down meremere and they were constant 16's I agree with Christy the sir's are not quick. You might wanna get your facts right before you post mate :teach: they are not hard to beat at all my 16 valve levin 4age could easily beat them and that car was 16 years old with 175,000 km's on the clock they are more comparable to the mirage cyborg, nissan vzr, and levin/trueno than a starlet
Dan3SGTE
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Deano, you are sooo sooo wrong its untrue.......
SIR's only weigh 1050KG also and with 170HP thats a better power to weight then a 200SX turbo so please mate, what are you talking about?
I dont think there will be massive amounts in it but the SIR will have more grunt especially on the motorway....
SIR's only weigh 1050KG also and with 170HP thats a better power to weight then a 200SX turbo so please mate, what are you talking about?
I dont think there will be massive amounts in it but the SIR will have more grunt especially on the motorway....
Dan3SGTE
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Dyaln.............
Thats fair enough what your saying as handling is an opinion but, chance the one you drove may have not been quite up to scrratch, very possible..... Slightly worn/suspension out/leaking damper etc etc etc....
As i cant relate to it, as the EK9 is a seriouse car when it comes to bends, Im actually shocked how quicky you can go and the more you push it the more the car sits on the road, its shocking at times......
The tegs could be different but you are the first ive heard this from....
never had a go in a celica 7th gen so i cant comment on that but i take your word they are great as i know no better
Thats fair enough what your saying as handling is an opinion but, chance the one you drove may have not been quite up to scrratch, very possible..... Slightly worn/suspension out/leaking damper etc etc etc....
As i cant relate to it, as the EK9 is a seriouse car when it comes to bends, Im actually shocked how quicky you can go and the more you push it the more the car sits on the road, its shocking at times......
The tegs could be different but you are the first ive heard this from....
never had a go in a celica 7th gen so i cant comment on that but i take your word they are great as i know no better
StarbowBoi
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I have driven a lot of JDM Turbo/Na Car.
My Teg is the best handling FWD Car i have had and as Dan said
the hard you drive it the better it sticks to the road.
Weird but true!
The only thing that handled better than my Teg was my Scooby RA
which had very good coilovers that were well setup and it was 4 wheel
drive. Ugly compared to the Honda though.
My Teg is the best handling FWD Car i have had and as Dan said
the hard you drive it the better it sticks to the road.
Weird but true!
The only thing that handled better than my Teg was my Scooby RA
which had very good coilovers that were well setup and it was 4 wheel
drive. Ugly compared to the Honda though.
i'm not wrong mate I have seen them with my own 2 eyes doing 16's down meremere I have even been in a 1995 sir civic and it wasn't that fast tbh seemed to make alot of noise and hardly go anywhere if the vtecs are so damn quick how come I beat the pants off a accord sir with a modified integra type r engine a few weeks ago. I also agree with Dylan those 7th gen celicas have bloody good handling around corners and an s15 silvia would easily wipe the floor of a standard sir civic anyday lol
StarbowBoi
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VTEC Cars are made to be driven on a track.
Anyonen who talks about 0-60 or quarter miles in my opinion is a bit sad,
thats so fast and furious 1.
Obviously there are many straight line drivers here, who wouldn't know wat to do coming into a corner and i guarantee that this is what the hondas built for, super hang on! When your driving hard down a country road in vtec the whole experience is 100 times better than opening up a turbo on a straight road. There are not enough drivers that can use vtec to its full potential and thats why its so under rated.
Anyonen who talks about 0-60 or quarter miles in my opinion is a bit sad,
thats so fast and furious 1.
Obviously there are many straight line drivers here, who wouldn't know wat to do coming into a corner and i guarantee that this is what the hondas built for, super hang on! When your driving hard down a country road in vtec the whole experience is 100 times better than opening up a turbo on a straight road. There are not enough drivers that can use vtec to its full potential and thats why its so under rated.
all I have to say is we dont have the ctr here in the states so im not sure about handling on it but I have driven a few us spec itr's ...fun cars to drive and iv also driven the the 7th gen celica gts's as for handling what iv noticed on trac racing from 1st hand and also from the side lines is that the itrs are faster in the straits and the celicas where a tad bit better on the turns so all in all they where pretty equal both stock suspention though. and it is true about knowing how to drive them for the vtecs that is...also deano why would someone put a itr motor in sir accord? and sir accord has either an f20B (200hp) (180hp w/auto) which was designed to have the torque of the h22 and the revs of a B series or depending on year they came with an h22. so my question is why would someone throw in B18C and go threw all that work to do so when they have a better motor to start with? (not at all saying the h22 or f20b is greater than b18c...just stating for the heavier accords its better due to more disp. and tq just to clear that up) just wondering?
what confuses me (kinda) is that these things ctr's/itr's you speak of are only running supposite 16's you all say tq this tq that..when the cars weighs nothing you dont need tq lol. which is what makes driving a little turbo car fun i.e. starlets if you do put tq in the equation it makes for a great time. you also dont have to put extra effort into driving I.E. say on a highway your doing the speed limit in 5th with the paseo 4efte duh I just step on the gas no downshift required and pass slower traffic when in a vtec and in 5th usualy ill go to 4th or 3rd and crack vtec and go around. also no prob. but I have to get that hp cuz the tq is not their. no big deal just diff.
anyway back to my point I think its funny when i read 16's for type r anything. cuz here in the states people buy these motors and throw them in their hondas and if they can drive run 13's all day long n/s with ihe thats it nothing special. my buddy has a ef 4 door civic with a usdm gsr motor b18c1 170hp with an b18b LS tranny (longer gearing, no lsd) skunk 2 intake manifold, stock exaust mani, exaust, intake, short throw, clutch and ran a 13.8 at 102. power to weight is everything. so im gonna blame driver if your only seeing 16's out of the r's considering all the stock itr's in the state usual run mid -high 14's stock with a good driver. im also going to go these cars you speak of are totaly stock and not breathing and weight if prob heavier than a base model do to all the options plus better suspetion and stiffer chassis. and all the cars that get swaps here in the states usualy are gutted or way lighter than stock jdm that is. anyway im done I still love driving both even though my buddies doesnt feel fast when your in it. it still goes you just cant feel it due to no tq. doenst mean its not running a 13 still. I love the feel of the 4e no effort just drive it feels quick when you step on it...its just 2 totaly diff feels and driving styles thats all. its not one is better its just the opinion of the oporator. I love my hondas but I love my toyotas too. oh and all my other cars lol.
A2KLAU
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I fully agree, coming from a Civic background with B16A2 VTEC to a Starlet, the little Starlet is more a road every day driver's sort of car, where as agreed the Hondas sing when they are on track. Whenever I was on the motorway and needed to get round lorries or whatever I had to downshift so it in VTEC, make it sing and then go back into 5th, now its just put foot down turbo spools and I'm round, less drama but still same effect.
I still have to say I do miss the sound of VTEC, its such a wonderful noise! But hearing the sound of a turbo dump valve is also such an aurally pleasurable sound!
I think with the Honda's they are more not everyone can drive them fast in a straight line, but many can drive them quick round corners, but with the Starlets everyone can drive them fast in a straight line but not everyone can go quick round corners.. Can't wait to make mine prove the point that I can make my Starlet handle as good if not better than my old track Civic.
I still have to say I do miss the sound of VTEC, its such a wonderful noise! But hearing the sound of a turbo dump valve is also such an aurally pleasurable sound!
I think with the Honda's they are more not everyone can drive them fast in a straight line, but many can drive them quick round corners, but with the Starlets everyone can drive them fast in a straight line but not everyone can go quick round corners.. Can't wait to make mine prove the point that I can make my Starlet handle as good if not better than my old track Civic.
97'GlanzaVTurbo
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You see I disagree aaron and the reason behind this you have to take all factors into account, so lets look at the facts
Toyota Glanza/GT Turbo = 133BHP & 860kg = 154.65BHP/Tonne
Honda Civic SIR= 170bhp & 1050kg = 161.97BHP/Tonne
Now if you also take the fact that you have to drive the balls off the Civic to get it going. Both cars can have an LSD as mines came as standard. On a dyno the Civic will win but when it comes to the road it will be a close race standard on standard. Even if you turned the boost up but below fuel cut I think the Glanza/GT Turbo will win.
Not too mention the Civic SIR are comparing themselves to a 1.3 with 37BHP less as standard.
Christy
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Having been in a standard GT, standard Glanza, standard SiR Civic, & standard vti Civic. All as a passenger, only driven the Glanza & GT. But in my experiance, standard vs standard i would say the SiR would beat any of the others, not by miles, but reasonably comfortably. But the once you start modifying them, say you spent £1000 on the engine of each, i would say the GT & Glanza would beat the Civics with about the same comfort as the SiR beat the Gt/Glanza standard. I had in my GT a Mani, Decat, Full Exhaust, FMIC, front mount filter & 0.8 bar boost & i could beat my mates 51plate VTI Civic running some kind of air filter (not sure which, not up on Civics) Mani, decat & full exhaust & another mates Civic SiR (same shape as the VTI)running some airfilter & an aftermarket exhaust. The Civics are pretty much even performance wise btw. And Deano im fairly sure your wrong about the LSD comment, im sure my mates with the Civics told me the vti had an LSD as an optional extra but the SiR it was standard issue.
Before buying my GT i was looking at getting an Civic SiR but decided against it as i wanted to modify my car & modifying Civics is to expensive for any real performance gains. Depends what your friend wants, a small, quick, cheap to modify car, or a small, quicker (standard) more expensive car to modify. If they dont wish to modify it too much or atall i would definatly reccomend a SiR.
Long winded and probably worded badly but thats what i have to say lol
Before buying my GT i was looking at getting an Civic SiR but decided against it as i wanted to modify my car & modifying Civics is to expensive for any real performance gains. Depends what your friend wants, a small, quick, cheap to modify car, or a small, quicker (standard) more expensive car to modify. If they dont wish to modify it too much or atall i would definatly reccomend a SiR.
Long winded and probably worded badly but thats what i have to say lol
Dan3SGTE
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ryanerak.........
Well said dude, I see what your saying completely....
I can assure anyone of you my EK9 is a fair amount quicker then a GT and pulls alot harder and all round is a MUCH quicker drive then a stock GT....... I have both, drove my stock GT for about 1 year and been in loads of GT's etc....
Power per tonne, im not bothered, regardless of what it says on paper, on the actual road the EK9 is a fair amount more powerful. tune the GT its another matter of course.
Im just trying to be realistic, not putting the GT down as i love the cars....
Im one of these people that like alot of different style cars, not just one.
Well said dude, I see what your saying completely....
I can assure anyone of you my EK9 is a fair amount quicker then a GT and pulls alot harder and all round is a MUCH quicker drive then a stock GT....... I have both, drove my stock GT for about 1 year and been in loads of GT's etc....
Power per tonne, im not bothered, regardless of what it says on paper, on the actual road the EK9 is a fair amount more powerful. tune the GT its another matter of course.
Im just trying to be realistic, not putting the GT down as i love the cars....
Im one of these people that like alot of different style cars, not just one.
Wish i could come into the chat room
starlet3SGTE, im glad you got a EK9 now have you seen this website www.EK9.org
They are great fun to drive and and very responsive, i dont care what people say they have plenty of tourqe before V-tech and V-tech is amazing. It has to be driven to understand what its all about
Heres my EK9.
starlet3SGTE, im glad you got a EK9 now have you seen this website www.EK9.org
They are great fun to drive and and very responsive, i dont care what people say they have plenty of tourqe before V-tech and V-tech is amazing. It has to be driven to understand what its all about
Heres my EK9.
Dan3SGTE
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Mikey, thats lovely mate! ^^^
Yeah, it does have plenty of poke in it before Vtec, unlike what people say. Its very responsive and picks up very well concidering... Not hugely fast before the cam lift but fast enough to pull quick through the rev range........
I had heard of that site, i will join it ........ I want to keep it N/A and reach about 200BHP... That would be a mental ride. with the power delivery as standard cant imagine tweaked up!
By the way my Vtec kick in at 6K RPM and power keeps on rising to the limiter... My peak is the limiter?? it says it should peak at 8200RPM in my case it climbs till 9K RPM?? as shown on the dyno....
Ive also heard they should kick in at 5.5K RPM, is this true? Its almost like mine needs to rev even higher.... Think may have been played with in japland?
Yeah, it does have plenty of poke in it before Vtec, unlike what people say. Its very responsive and picks up very well concidering... Not hugely fast before the cam lift but fast enough to pull quick through the rev range........
I had heard of that site, i will join it
........ I want to keep it N/A and reach about 200BHP... That would be a mental ride. with the power delivery as standard cant imagine tweaked up!By the way my Vtec kick in at 6K RPM and power keeps on rising to the limiter... My peak is the limiter?? it says it should peak at 8200RPM in my case it climbs till 9K RPM?? as shown on the dyno....
Ive also heard they should kick in at 5.5K RPM, is this true? Its almost like mine needs to rev even higher.... Think may have been played with in japland?
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