speedvision cam timing

williamocarroll1982

williamocarroll1982

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Corey_gt said:
Did you ever think the cruise ones are a ridiculas price dude? You can get custom billet cams made for Starlets that cost nowhere near the price of cruise ones.
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Ya they are a ridiculous price but they work don't they and custom billet cams are cheaper than the cruise cams but your not going to get them for 260 pounds which is what these ones are. They're going to be 6 or 7 hundred pounds at the very least. Im not trying to knock anybodies products here but there are reasons that one product is cheaper than another, quality control and R&D. If these cams had been tested then they would have failed quality control and wouldn't have been sold and the fact that they don't work means there wasn't alot of R&D done on them either.
 
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speedvision

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ok lets not tlk about cost now....lets try and get to the bottom of this problem..

i am seeing the timing marks are not aligning according to the reports which came back and said the pin that locks the exhaust cam gear isnt in the correct location so when the gear locks in its out.......is that the problem what u lads are having or you do not know exactly?

this is what i have been told by ted about the little pin that locates the gear on the ex cam..

now i spoke to a tuner and he said that the pin has noting to do with the timing marks regardless of what position it is in...which i think most of the guys are going according to this pin and timing is being thrown off..

he also noted that the ex gear moves the other gear which is the one that has to line up and when u time the engine and if its out then you need to move the timing belt a few teeth to correspond..

If any of the other tuners and engine builders can give their inputs or comments we can solve this timing issue..

about quality wise, there are over 50-60 sets running worldwide with very good figures..and not becuz the cams are 400 usds means its not up to standard as its been seen and proven to work well with those who are running in with no problems..


which member on here would buy a cam i sell or any other trader sell for 1300 usds?

i dont see any trader here taking a risk of developing any performance products for members on the forum at affordable prices.


sam
 
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speedvision

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Chris@CCM said:
It's a joke ppl r fittn cams and cars are not running rite at all seen a set fitted the other day and the car would do nothing but dett it's head off and the other one would not run rite at all I've used the first ones made a long time ago were ok but the newer ones are defo not rite
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i hope u can give some input on this as i know ur very experienced and the report is the locating pin on the ex cam for when u have to put back on the gear is not in the right angle..this little pin is causing someone not to get the timing right? as in my above post u can see what the tuner told me..if u can relate to that let me know..

sam
 
williamocarroll1982

williamocarroll1982

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If i still had a job and I wanted cams for my car then I would have no problem what so ever in paying $1700 to rhd for the cruise cams but i know that I am in the minority there. I accept everything you say and you sound like a genuine guy who knows what he's talking about and if you say that you can make a quality product at a price like that then i believe you and i am sorry for my earlier remark. I am only going by previous experiences i have had, not involving you i must add, where when i was earning very little and had little knowledge about cars I bought products according to price and found them to be inferior but when I spent my money on a well know brand, i must say, i have never had a problem even though they are ridiculously priced in many cases. I do want to say that this was not me trying to knock you product in particular, it was meant only as a general comment on products that are so much more inexpensive than the competition, they are usually not as good. If I have offended you in any way I apologize
 
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speedvision

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williamocarroll1982 said:
If i still had a job and I wanted cams for my car then I would have no problem what so ever in paying $1700 to rhd for the cruise cams but i know that I am in the minority there. I accept everything you say and you sound like a genuine guy who knows what he's talking about and if you say that you can make a quality product at a price like that then i believe you and i am sorry for my earlier remark. I am only going by previous experiences i have had, not involving you i must add, where when i was earning very little and had little knowledge about cars I bought products according to price and found them to be inferior but when I spent my money on a well know brand, i must say, i have never had a problem even though they are ridiculously priced in many cases. I do want to say that this was not me trying to knock you product in particular, it was meant only as a general comment on products that are so much more inexpensive than the competition, they are usually not as good. If I have offended you in any way I apologize
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its ok becuz i know there is no issue with the quality of the cams...

and trust me u can also have quality at a low price ..its just some markets out there triple the mark up..if i were to sell these at 900 usds it would not be considered cheap and with all the previous good results we had with them at the 400 usds mark it would not sell if it were to bump up to 900 usds..

price depends on quantity..i would not afford to sell them at 400 if i used to buy one or 2 cams at a time and no one here would be able to buy them either..



there is a timing issue which i know can be solved if we put our heads together

sam
 
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Texx

Texx

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If the exhaust cam gear is not located correctly, it'll knock the intake cam timing out after the intake and exhaust cam gear marks have been aligned. This can't be 'adjusted out' via the timing belt.

It may be possible to time up the intake cam using a dial gauge, but that will depend on how accurate the cam gears will allow any adjustment to be.
 
Texx

Texx

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williamocarroll1982 said:
Im not trying to knock anybodies products here but there are reasons that one product is cheaper than another, quality control and R&D. If these cams had been tested then they would have failed quality control and wouldn't have been sold and the fact that they don't work means there wasn't alot of R&D done on them either.
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speedvision said:
i am seeing the timing marks are not aligning according to the reports which came back and said the pin that locks the exhaust cam gear isnt in the correct location so when the gear locks in its out'

this is what i have been told by ted about the little pin that locates the gear on the ex cam.
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speedvision said:
i know there is no issue with the quality of the cams...

and trust me u can also have quality at a low price ..its just some markets out there triple the mark up..if i were to sell these at 900 usds it would not be considered cheap and with all the previous good results we had with them at the 400 usds mark it would not sell if it were to bump up to 900 usds.
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If the exhaust cam gear cannot be located correctly and also taking into account some users have had to have further machine work carried out to enable them to actually install the gears and the timing belt sprocket onto the camshafts, the lad has a valid point.

So in response to your statement:
speedvision said:
i know there is no issue with the quality of the cams.
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There does in fact appear to be an issue with the quality of 'some' of the cams.
 
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speedvision

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Texx said:
If the exhaust cam gear cannot be located correctly and also taking into account some users have had to have further machine work carried out to enable them to actually install the gears and the timing belt sprocket onto the camshafts, the lad has a valid point.

So in response to your statement:


There does in fact appear to be an issue with the quality of 'some' of the cams.
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remember everyone buying the cams already know of the machining that may or may not have to be done as i have stated this on the cam page.

but i was speaking of quality in terms of long term usage but i see your point.

i know mark somehow solved his so i am waiting on his response and will post or maybe he will post here..

a simple fix without thinking is to drill another hole and place the pin in the right spot for which ever machine shop is putting the gears on..
it couldnt cost more than 20 bucks for a machine shop to drill a hole and place the pin in the correct spot which i would even be happy to cover..

sam
 
Rory

Rory

Lifer
All of my marks line up spot on, yet it will run like a bag of bolts.

Chris tried everything the other day to try and get the bugger running,through the EMU but to no avail.

I will be taken them out and throwing them in the bin.
Im not wasting anymore time on these

I bought these from a felow member that had them "running" i highly doubt that now..

As for saying there is no quality issue, im sorry but Sam pull your head out of your arse, there is obviously a quality issue if they wont line up and work.

I know what ill be doing if i want cams, ill be going custom billet from a reputable manufacturer over here in the UK.
 
MARK@CMBAUTOS

MARK@CMBAUTOS

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Rory said:
All of my marks line up spot on, yet it will run like a bag of bolts.

Chris tried everything the other day to try and get the bugger running,through the EMU but to no avail.

I will be taken them out and throwing them in the bin.
Im not wasting anymore time on these

I bought these from a felow member that had them "running" i highly doubt that now..

As for saying there is no quality issue, im sorry but Sam pull your head out of your arse, there is obviously a quality issue if they wont line up and work.

I know what ill be doing if i want cams, ill be going custom billet from a reputable manufacturer over here in the UK.
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x2 i couldnt of put it better my self ;)
and ill also be buying new ones in the uk ;)
 
350ep70gr

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MARK@CMBAUTOS said:
x2 i couldnt of put it better my self ;)
and ill also be buying new ones in the uk ;)
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Rory said:
All of my marks line up spot on, yet it will run like a bag of bolts.

Chris tried everything the other day to try and get the bugger running,through the EMU but to no avail.

I will be taken them out and throwing them in the bin.
Im not wasting anymore time on these

I bought these from a felow member that had them "running" i highly doubt that now..

As for saying there is no quality issue, im sorry but Sam pull your head out of your arse, there is obviously a quality issue if they wont line up and work.

I know what ill be doing if i want cams, ill be going custom billet from a reputable manufacturer over here in the UK.
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Do you both have any other info for them exept the duration?
Rory have you figure out what cause the noise when you run them? or the engine dosent sound good with them? (idle /performance issues)?
You may align the marks but the lobes could be way out from where should be.
Havent run them but i used to play with cams on other cars and aftermarket cams almost never align with the standard marks. Always i had to use a dial micrometer and follow the cam manufacter degrees. Otherwise the engine was stungle to start and built revs. If you have this sheet you can check if the installation is correct otherwise it is a situation as you use standard cams and jump a tooth on the belt.
Just a side note!

Chris
 
MARK@CMBAUTOS

MARK@CMBAUTOS

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350ep70gr said:
Do you both have any other info for them exept the duration?
Rory have you figure out what cause the noise when you run them? or the engine dosent sound good with them? (idle /performance issues)?
You may align the marks but the lobes could be way out from where should be.
Havent run them but i used to play with cams on other cars and aftermarket cams almost never align with the standard marks. Always i had to use a dial micrometer and follow the cam manufacter degrees. Otherwise the engine was stungle to start and built revs. If you have this sheet you can check if the installation is correct otherwise it is a situation as you use standard cams and jump a tooth on the belt.
Just a side note!

Chris
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iv got the full data sheet with mine ill send u a copy later inight i put my engine to the top boys in the area to make sure thay are all timed correctly to the data sheet just for a second apinion and im awaiting the call :)
but i dont feel a want to take the risk of them not running correctly
 
spuddy

spuddy

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I don't understand how this problem has suddenly appeared.

Are these newer cams manufactured differently or from a new supplier Sam? Why not just go back to the old ones. I'm running some of your old ones with no issues.
 
Rory

Rory

Lifer
Chris,

No other info, i never received a data sheet with mine.

It will idle rough and it will not rev up at all, Chris@CCM will back me up here also, if needed.

Ive asked Mark for a copy of the data sheet, just to see what it says.
Thats my only thinking, the lobes have been ground out of allignment.

350ep70gr said:
Do you both have any other info for them exept the duration?
Rory have you figure out what cause the noise when you run them? or the engine dosent sound good with them? (idle /performance issues)?
You may align the marks but the lobes could be way out from where should be.
Havent run them but i used to play with cams on other cars and aftermarket cams almost never align with the standard marks. Always i had to use a dial micrometer and follow the cam manufacter degrees. Otherwise the engine was stungle to start and built revs. If you have this sheet you can check if the installation is correct otherwise it is a situation as you use standard cams and jump a tooth on the belt.
Just a side note!

Chris
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GaryGT

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Rory said:
Chris,

No other info, i never received a data sheet with mine.

It will idle rough and it will not rev up at all, Chris@CCM will back me up here also, if needed.

Ive asked Mark for a copy of the data sheet, just to see what it says.
Thats my only thinking, the lobes have been ground out of allignment.
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Golden Rule always make sure u get spec Sheet
Question what was the lash on these Cams ???
Also what was the Lift and Duration??


regards


Gary
 
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