what are all your views on governement?

[sx_turbo]

firstly i would like to appologise against the comment about the americans being bastards or what ever i said. i should have included english aswell lol cos wereall controlled by the same ppl. the bankers at the top of the top. i mean who actually believes 1 man rules the country like bush and blare. there just ppl who do the talking. most of the parties that we ellect are controlled by the same ppl. every time we ask for change and they feel the party is having bad views towards them they change it. one man who was right tho was john f kenedy. if you hear his most famouse speach it relates to being causiouse of who we ellect as some ppl have different agendas and there are secret societies that we have to be carefull of. and he got killed. i know this conversation wont really go anywhere and im not that good at arguing my point but i am interested in what other ppl have to say and if i really do relate to that pic riko put up then im gonna have to go underground and plot my revenge. lol

very single minded.

it is impossible to please everybody, so governments try and please the majority.

the war in iraq is to do with liberation. america and england putting right there half arsed attempt they made in the past. thats why the iraqis didnt take to kindly to us invading them again.

ok we may have invaded them for oil, but theres no distinctive proof that was thee only reason. whats done is done no point in bleating on about it.

im mored cheesed off with the way the british government keeps penalising it's own citizens.

letting every tom, dick and harry into the country.

the chavvy kids who just cause trouble, and blame it on there being nothing to do.

the way we all get taxed to the hilt on everything we enjoy.

the way we get told we cant do this and we cant do that.

the justice system which is a complete joke.

people are no longer afraid of jail, criminals treat jail like the ammount of people we sleep with. it's a brag.

there the important issues.

not something that happened 10 years ago, get over it dude and look at reality.

 

[Captain Starlet]

read the first page and got bored of listening to all these conspiracy theories thats being brought up.. it says it all in the title "theories" not true.. terrorists done it end off!

people love to make things up, try and convince themselves otherwise a mean come on look at how many conspiracy theories came up with 2pac jeez were all still waiting for his head to pop out of a door.. come on

where a stand on this government well a think its a shambles.. i agree with some of the rules however some are just a joke espically the way they dish out benefits and the whole way the immigration works or put it in a better way doesnt work! in the future it`l be the government making your decisions for you!

all in my opinon folks

 

[SaRfI]

lol like always "directly or indirectly" people are always trying to get off there chests about other races coming into there country robing there governments,taking there jobs and stuff and then use the Term "im not racist at all" but these people shouldn't be in our country,why the f*** cant they be consider as human beings.why so much "hate" towards other nations or people why does it matter what religion they are or there cast, at the end of the day we all are human beings.

the world isn't nice place.every body hate every body even they are from same country or same religion.

and for the 911 terrorist did it?? weren't we all lead to belive it was "terrorist" did it then the whole f**kin conspiracy things make me sick. i don't know who did it but then again whats the points of keep repeating it was still a big tragedy after all 100s of thousands of innocent people died because of 911 all over the world.

 

[Adam_Glanza]

think your all taking it a bit strongly its only a discussion about it?

ok conspiracies are conspiracies for 1 reason, because there isnt a clear answer to confirm it, its just 1 answer against another really..

if everybody was told that bush ordered the planes to hit the towers because he wanted a new multistory carpark we would believe it?

who really knows wat happened, and tbh im a fan of conspiracies i love the way it makes you think, its kind of a story i suppose.

i do agree that muslims have been made a scape goat of, and tbh if we were a country being invaded we would retaliate in every way and form possible wouldnt we?

its like this princess diana case going on at the moment, everybody has an opinion but who really knows exactly wat happened? it does seem like something is tryin to be covered up. all the evidence has been disposed of

 

[SaRfI]

just look at this lads for example ,what a f**king joke

 

[sx_turbo]

lol like always "directly or indirectly" people are always trying to get off there chests about other races coming into there country robing there governments,taking there jobs and stuff and then use the Term "im not racist at all" but these people shouldn't be in our country,why the f*** cant they be consider as human beings.why so much "hate" towards other nations or people why does it matter what religion they are or there cast, at the end of the day we all are human beings.

the problem is there letting every tom dick and harry in.

im all for people coming to the country, but if they commit a crime they should be deported, or if they have committed a crime they shouldnt be allowed in.

there letting in to many bad apples, we have enough of our own let alone having other country's ones.

it's like that guy from australia who was a peodaphile, he went to aus when he was 5 or something, so he is basically australian, but cos he never got an australian passport they considered him british still.

so aus sent him back, and no one in britain cared there was a rapist and peodophile coming in the country, they done nothing, just let him come back into the country and let him get on with it. they didnt want to know where he was living, they havnt put him under any form of survelance it's crazy.

no one has mentioned being racist, so please dont start pulling that one out the bag, it's a complete minefield.

 

[SaRfI]

the problem is there letting every tom dick and harry in.

im all for people coming to the country, but if they commit a crime they should be deported, or if they have committed a crime they shouldnt be allowed in.

there letting in to many bad apples, we have enough of our own let alone having other country's ones.



no one has mentioned being racist, so please dont start pulling that one out the bag, it's a complete minefield.

ok mate as for the "bad apples" they are every where they aren't just "foreigner". so you saying is if you drive a car without insurance you ill get a "huge fine" and if it was "foreigner" he should be deported from your point of view. Get a Grip man im not trying to criticize you but the way you are coming on and on about they shouldn't be allowed and should be deported for crime , so different rules for foreigners??

isn't that "racism" then, and i didn't call you racist or refer it to you btw.

i do get your point about more crimes are happening since more foreigners are coming in, but don't understand the thing different rules for foreigners or Non Brit.

 

[Timmy]

You got to look at imigration alot more broadly than race/religion. There are several problems with the amount of imigrants coming into the country. But i think you can sum it up by the simple fact the uk is no longer self surfciant. If we didn't import or export any food there wouldn't be enough to feed everyone i think that simply means there is too many people here.
Another problem we have is the fact the eu means we have to let europeans work here which means they can come here earn money, the problem comes is they take most of that money away with them to another country which takes the money out of the economy.

 

[Iain@CRD]

The number one thing that pisses me off the most about this country is the fact that EVERYONE is welcome in it ...

Look at the amount of British Citizens murdered and killed due to these Immigrants coming over into the UK and abusing it. They come over here and get everything paid for them, house, money to setup a business, food on there plates and WE pay for it.

I once read a story about a guy who come over from some country and was gave £50,000 to setup a fruit and veg market, except he set it up 1 street down from Tesco 24 hours and used it for Drug Laundering.

This bloody Euro Tunnel .. France must have thought .. you BEAUTY, now we can take on Immigrants and give them a free train pass into the UK, the fannys in that Government are more than happy to accept them.

Did anyone watch GMTV were it was reported around 800,000 Imigrants came into the UK in such and such a period .. then 20 minutes later they announced .. theres also about 300,000 that we do know about in the UK.

Like WTF! UK Residents are now moving abroad due to these folk coming into our country and ruining it, taxes are too bloody high and we work to live.

And its always the usual excuses aswell, if i go back my country will kill me ... is this really our problem? I personally think NO!

Also as well now, i read in the Sun Newspaper, they've realised a new style of game similar to Paint Ball, except people are dressed up as Terrorists to simulate Afganistan etc .. and these folk who are not British in the Government say .. its racist, nothing boils my blood more than reading this shit.

What about the London bombings as well? The guy dressed up in womens clothing and wore one of those head robes, and because its against there religon to remove it he escaped ... if you come to the UK you live by OUR RULES.

I also saw that a new country wanted to join the EU and it was being decided whether or not it was being accepted, the news said, theres approximately a 200,000 persons waiting list to come to the UK .. says it all!

 

[SaRfI]

Another problem we have is the fact the eu means we have to let europeans work here which means they can come here earn money, the problem comes is they take most of that money away with them to another country which takes the money out of the economy.

you can pack your bag and Go to any eastern European country they wouldn't have any problem so you shouldn't have it either , and for they take money away from Brit economy , what about the food they buy when they live , and what about the "tax" they pay, don't you think that money goes toward Brit economy?

 

[sx_turbo]

ok mate as for the "bad apples" they are every where they aren't just "foreigner". so you saying is if you drive a car without insurance you ill get a "huge fine" and if it was "foreigner" he should be deported from your point of view. Get a Grip man im not trying to criticize you but the way you are coming on and on about they shouldn't be allowed and should be deported for crime , so different rules for foreigners??

isn't that "racism" then, and i didn't call you racist or refer it to you btw.

i do get your point about more crimes are happening since more foreigners are coming in, but don't understand the thing different rules for foreigners or Non Brit.

no, sorry, driving without a licence, or insurance is one of my pet hates, whther foreign or not, they should be punished severely.

what i said was the country has enough bad apples in it already and therefore stricter rules need to be put in place.

your taking my argument way out of context and calling me racist.

i like different cultures, makes the citys mre vibrant, more interesting.

what i dont like is people twisting everything to be racist. im not being racist, i havnt said one racist thing here.

did you read my other points pointed out above?

you've picked out one single comment and started throwing the racist card around.

the people that are already here in this country, cause enough agro, and there is to much yob culture around. that needs sorting

schools need to be better, the health service needs to be better, the police needs to be better.

one way round this is to get rid of a lot of red tape, it's not a final solution it wont work on that alone, but it will help.

we also need less stupid rules, and more common sense to be used.

EDIT- i just seen a couple of other peoples posts......... they sound much worse than my very innoffensive comment

 

[Iain@CRD]

Safri what the hell you on about!

This is exactly my point, you cannot talk about these "Immigrants" without being classed a racist ..

What re-mark has been made to assume racism? None from Ricky from what ive read.

 

[Timmy]

Yeh i could go over there and yeh they'd be happy to let me work there, but i couldn't go over there work for 6 months and earn the equivalent of 2 years wages in the uk. Infact the exact opposite i would earn less.
It works in their favour, they come over here earn alot of money and they spend very little when here. They rent the cheapest accomadation possible and live of the bare min food wise, hence money is not staying in the economy, food and essential are low tax/duty item. Than go home and live like kings of 6 months before coming back to work again. I can't blame them as i would do the exact same thing if it was possile. But it is government that is ment to stop that happening.
So don't tell me that MIGRANT workers don't take money out of the economy.

 

[Iain@CRD]

Read the topic,

What are ALL YOUR VIEWS on the government.

Your failing to see that properly .. its asking for everyones view. Cant someone now make a view without being called racist Safri?

Read before you comment bud.

 

[SaRfI]

hey sx-turbo i do get your point loads of people coming in and then committing the crime. but i didn't call you a "RACIST" all i Quoted was isn't that "racism" to deport a foreigner when he commit same crime as you he Get deported and you get a fine. does this ring the "bell" what im trying to say.

controlling immigrants and there criminals activities isn't what im concern let the Brit Government do there job. all i was concern about different rules for BR ITS

 

[sx_turbo]

hey sx-turbo i do get your point loads of people coming in and then committing the crime. but i didn't call you a "RACIST" all i Quoted was isn't that "racism" to deport a foreigner when he commit same crime as you he Get deported and you get a fine. does this ring the "bell" what im trying to say.

controlling immigrants and there criminals activities isn't what im concern let the Brit Government do there job. all i was concern about different rules for BR ITS

oh i see there seems to be some confusion.

the thing is a brit cant get deported any where. obviously after the said immigrant becomes a british citizen, then he shouldnt get deported.

maybe they could use a 3 strikes and your out system or something.

i didnt mean send them out of the country cos they forgot to pay for a tin of beans,

it would also depend on the severity of the crime.

whilst were on the subject of crime.

who thinks that if a life sentence is given, it should mean life?

just wondering as 99% of people get let off early, for being a good boy, and picking up the soap.

 

[SaRfI]

Read the topic,

What are ALL YOUR VIEWS on the government.

Your failing to see that properly .. its asking for everyones view. Cant someone now make a view without being called racist Safri?

Read before you comment bud.

why are you trying to critize me, i was concern about something sx-turbo said Thats all i didn't call you racist or anyone.

i don't give a rat ass about the problems Brits have with there Government.
thats there issue not mine,all i have is my opinion and thats if lads allow me to have without critize me

 

[Iain@CRD]

why are you trying to critize me, i was concern about something sx-turbo said Thats all i didn't call you racist or anyone.

i don't give a rat ass about the problems Brits have with there Government.
thats there issue not mine,all i have is my opinion and thats if lads allow me to have without critize me

This is just one of those topics for me that pisses me off easily because of this fucked up situation that the Government have put this country in.

 

[SaRfI]

oh i see there seems to be some confusion.



maybe they could use a 3 strikes and your out system or something.

i didnt mean send them out of the country cos they forgot to pay for a tin of beans,

well irish Gov was thinking to bring the law if foreigners do any motoring crimes they would be deported ??RIGHT:homer:

who thinks that if a life sentence is given, it should mean life?

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if you get a life sentence you should be locked till life but this doesn't happen what a joke.

 

[Streetech]

The Twin Towers were made using a structure consisting of a rigid "hollow tube" of closely spaced steel columns with floor trusses extending across to a central core. This was employed due to the height of the buildings and gave the best protection against weather conditions. (Not Planes)
A really good design, the centre core essentially only taking the gravitational weight of the building with a prefabricated steel lattice, with small columns doing the rest of the work.

Introduce to that a Plane filled with jet fuel. The remaning material in the centre core not blown out from the initial impact would have been affected by heat from the burning plane, fuel and office supplies, not hot enough to melt it but weaken it enough to cause extra stess on the lower structure.
This would cause the centre core to buckle making it look like the "floating" floors were falling straight down.

As for the comment about the lower floors apearing to have been blown out and people hearing explosions, as the plane hits the building a shock wave would have traveled down as the building bends and stresses. (Remember, its designed to do that to a certain extent to withstand weather conditions) This shock wave would have hit the greatest area of resistance being the ground and would have blown the windows out in that area. (Similar to an earthquake).