Why are people Breaking their High Spec'd Starlets ?

[GaryGT]

shouldnt be sayin this ,but see i have all that my road is finished now.. time to enjoy it now am been told..
ps: i dont tink its needed tbh mate..way to much money for nowhere near the gains you tink youl get..thrust me

To get Real Pulling Power Beyond ur 6500 RPM on the 4E Turbo'd engine u Need Headwork simple as. the More serious the Headwork the more serious the results!! And im not talking Big Dyno sheets results.


And any Engine is the same ders endless things u can Try to extract the Most Potential from that engine.
Thats why its a beautiful sport ur learning all the Time

 

[Animal GT]

To get Real Pulling Power Beyond ur 6500 RPM on the 4E Turbo'd engine u Need Headwork simple as. the More serious the Headwork the more serious the results!! And im not talking Big Dyno sheets results.


And any Engine is the same ders endless things u can Try to extract the Most Potential from that engine.
Thats why its a beautiful sport ur learning all the Time

ohh she pulls right to the limiter lad an thats wel behond 6500
but a 4e is under some pressure over the 300mark..has to be.
wats the limits do you reckon.power wise

 

[Phil]

spin??no probs at all phil..

im sure she spins alright

Phil

 

[Animal GT]

im sure she spins alright

Phil

man i cant wait for the new years drag racen!! dam breakin it.am keeping her...lol

 

[Phil]

I've not driven a 250bhp+ one, I have no desire to. My 180bhp GT was handful enough. The chassis just isn't up to the job of taming large power and putting it to the ground. You've just said yourself that you have no worries putting power down in third when it's dry. Third! So basically, it's fast as hell once you've got it to 50 and found some grip? Fuck that. Go and drive something with properly sorted standard suspension (Puma, MX-5, MR2 etc) down a twisty A/B road, you'll see exactly where I'm coming from.

sounds like your gt didnt have money spent on the right bits.

if a stock puma/mx5 can amuse you surely your only comparing it to a stock/lowered gts handling?

and a 250bhp+starlet is fast to 50, very fast. depending what you have done to compliment it, a drag gt will put done 320hp 2nd gear no wheel spin.

if its a road orientated gt then run staged boost if you must, or engage some throttle control? but i tell you this much(from my limited experience compared to yours) your not in the same league as jays mk1 or ae86clydes gt in either pace or handling if your driving a mildly tuned/stock puma or mx5.

also if this comparison is based on a a/b road then what on earth has wheelspin below 50mph got to do with anything? our in including some standing start races, for after you've had to stop to brush your hair? haha

that all being said, trevor (the same on who brought in those two very fast gt mentioned above) had a 300+ mx5 turbo, that i would have liked a run in

Phil

 

[Phil]

man i cant wait for the new years drag racen!! dam breakin it.am keeping her...lol

keep her, if you and spuddy got a full season together, you could have first and second the honda boys would be very very sad lol

Phil

 

[Animal GT]

i refuse to be bet by any honda!! in the dry of course with the car properly setup!! for the people who judged my car at straightliners this year when i had ZERO GRIP due to it been soaking wet will get a buck...12s here i come..an if i dont i seriously dont no wats happenen..lol..ill look forward to 2010 drag year

 

[Phil]

good luck with it.

so you've got your reason to not break your starlet, an affordable drag car.

do you think that you have taken the car so far that its only really driveable in drag conditions?

Phil

 

[Animal GT]

yea suppose i have..ha
affordable drag car..lol i dont tink so..id say iv spent more than spuddy ffs.thats called me stone broke..lol but iv had loads of fun cant realy complain..

ehh yea its not a everyday car,an even if my other car was broke i couldnt just drive the gt everyday my head would be wreked tbh..no room for kids,cold starts,the noise.lol clutch etc..love just jumpin into it at night there for a few blasts an few laps of the town doh

are we gona see yourself on the drag strip soon?

 

[GaryGT]

ohh she pulls right to the limiter lad an thats wel behond 6500
but a 4e is under some pressure over the 300mark..has to be.
wats the limits do you reckon.power wise

Ye shes Pulls to the Limiter but ur not really throwing hug load at it above this mark. if u look at ur Dyno sheet i bet a 7000Rpm it Dropping off Power on the Graph
Ur head will not flow past this Point as its out of its effeciency Range
thus the reason u do some headwork
I reckon the Limit on the standard engine for Power is 6500 - 7000rpm
after dat ur having to change alot to extract more Power from the 4E Power Plant above this RPM RANGE

 

[Animal GT]

Ye shes Pulls to the Limiter but ur not really throwing hug load at it above this mark. if u look at ur Dyno sheet i bet a 7000Rpm it Dropping off Power on the Graph
Ur head will not flow past this Point as its out of its effeciency Range
thus the reason u do some headwork
I reckon the Limit on the standard engine for Power is 6500 - 7000rpm
after dat ur having to change alot to extract more Power from the 4E Power Plant above this RPM RANGE

wat work are we talking about??mines not a stock head gary wel it is but work has been done..
as for my graph no dont tink so man,if anyting maybe a small small bit,id need to check that again doh.

 

[Monkfish]

sounds like your gt didnt have money spent on the right bits.

if a stock puma/mx5 can amuse you surely your only comparing it to a stock/lowered gts handling?

The GT had coilovers, lower arm bar, strut braces and anti-lift kit, running on Yoko tyres all round. Comparatively, the Puma was only lowered on some random arse tyres and the MX-5 is stock bar some unbranded wheels and Goodyear Eagles.

The Starlet had grip, but grip doesn't equal handling. Turn into a corner and she'd turn, but very vaguely. There was little feedback coming through the steering wheel telling me what was going on. And putting the power down was always entertaining on anything but the smoothest of roads. On one of my favourite B-road blasts, the Puma was only 10mph slower passing a certain point than the Starlet was. The Starlet had damn near twice the bhp/tonne. Does that not say something to you? It speaks volumes to me. I'd urge you to give either car a damn good thrashing if you get the chance. Anyway, I'm starting to sound too much like a fanboi. I love Starlets, I think they're cracking cars. They're just not the best at going round corners, that's all.

Next TGTT trackday I'll come along in the '5 and take you out for a ride if you want. I'll even leave the roof up to save you the embarassment. :homer:

 

[Phil]

yea suppose i have..ha
affordable drag car..lol i dont tink so..id say iv spent more than spuddy ffs.thats called me stone broke..lol but iv had loads of fun cant realy complain..

ehh yea its not a everyday car,an even if my other car was broke i couldnt just drive the gt everyday my head would be wreked tbh..no room for kids,cold starts,the noise.lol clutch etc..love just jumpin into it at night there for a few blasts an few laps of the town doh

are we gona see yourself on the drag strip soon?

doubt it my car has to do all those things bar kids that yours cant.

fairly long daily commute etc.

im sure if i went id get hooked lol, maybe give it a blast a some point though im sure i wouldnt be much use, id need to get some practising done haha

Phil

 

[Phil]

The GT had coilovers, lower arm bar, strut braces and anti-lift kit, running on Yoko tyres all round. Comparatively, the Puma was only lowered on some random arse tyres and the MX-5 is stock bar some unbranded wheels and Goodyear Eagles.

The Starlet had grip, but grip doesn't equal handling. Turn into a corner and she'd turn, but very vaguely. There was little feedback coming through the steering wheel telling me what was going on. And putting the power down was always entertaining on anything but the smoothest of roads. On one of my favourite B-road blasts, the Puma was only 10mph slower passing a certain point than the Starlet was. The Starlet had damn near twice the bhp/tonne. Does that not say something to you? It speaks volumes to me. I'd urge you to give either car a damn good thrashing if you get the chance. Anyway, I'm starting to sound too much like a fanboi. I love Starlets, I think they're cracking cars. They're just not the best at going round corners, that's all.

Next TGTT trackday I'll come along in the '5 and take you out for a ride if you want. I'll even leave the roof up to save you the embarassment. :homer:

that power to weight doesnt relate to true speed once you add corners into the race, or at least not as much as if it was a straight line race?

i quite like mx5 dont get me wrong(i dont like pumas.). im sure that they can carry more speed through a corner than a starlet stock on stock, maybe even stock versus budget coilovers. but a 250hp starlet runs ok round bends especially with a fairly fast spooling turbo like a td04. and with that much power the starlet could probably afford go liesurely through the corners and still be a distance ahead of a stock mx5 or puma.

maybe no power steering would be good in the starlet if you needed more feedback?

my car is no handling whip, she is my daily commute.

Phil

 

[sx_turbo]

you see you say the steering is vague etc yet my gf loves driving mini's and has done for years, and she says my gt is almost on par with mini's

it's more likely the way mine is setup, and my mate with the turbo mini says the same.

and you cant tell me that mini's are rubbish handling cars, and dont give much feedback etc etc.

now i'm not saying the starlets are the best they are far far from it, i really think each starlet boils down to setup, and very few people have identical setups.

i just have issues with people saying a gt running 1bar of boost on a ct9 or hybrid ct9 is an absolute animal and it cant take the power,

300bhp is a bit awkward in a starlet and by the time it hits boost it's time for the next corner and is a pretty pointless affair on b-roads.

a hybrid ct9 or a td04 though is probably pretty much bang on for b-roads in a starlet.

although a similarly decently sorted mx-5 would eat the lil starbo for breaky lunch and dinner hands down,

but at the same time the mx-5 werent designed to run to the shops, or take your nan to bingo in

 

[weakboy2]

having driven a 220bhp mx-5 turbo, they are not easy to drive! easy to lose the arse end yes!

220bhp actually broke the rear kaaz diff on particular mx-5 and sent us in a tank slapper up a busy road at 60mph and then into a hedge! (i wasnt driving... had brown pants tho)

same with any light car, too much power becomes an issue that needs driving skill to overcome.

 

[Dan3SGTE]

Owning a civic EK9 type R im aware of a well set up car. In face its better set up then most modern perfromance cars for that matter. YET i still absoltley LOVE the buzz my starlet gives me.

It all depends what you want but a 300BHP starlet can be useable for certain applications.

There is no such things as wasting money if you enjoy what your spending money on.

I should be acheiving over 500WHP next year. I cant wait to see how undrivable it is :haha:

 

[turbo-fever]

also thing is some people dont have the luxury of havin 2 cars to drive so the wen we want to modify it to track spec it also has to be used for a daily drive to.

like me my starlet is the stiffest car i have been in and at 230bhp aint to slow and i would love to be able to have another car for a daily driver but cant afford it so learn to live with driving the starlet everyday (even though sumtimes would love to sit in a comfy leather seat with a comfy soft ride lol)

 

[Aidan@EP-styling]

also thing is some people dont have the luxury of havin 2 cars to drive so the wen we want to modify it to track spec it also has to be used for a daily drive to.

like me my starlet is the stiffest car i have been in and at 230bhp aint to slow and i would love to be able to have another car for a daily driver but cant afford it so learn to live with driving the starlet everyday (even though sumtimes would love to sit in a comfy leather seat with a comfy soft ride lol)

If people do their sums right, you should be able to have a 2nd car for daily driving.

You car at 230 bhp must be returning low mpg? I bought a 99 diesel golf for very cheap money and I use it for daily driving.

I used to spend approx 80-90 Euro per week on petrol and Now with the diesel golf I spend only 20-30 Euro! The 60 Euro per week saving on fuel pays for the 2nd cars Tax and the 2nd car branch insurance was cheap too

 

[Idrees]

If people do their sums right, you should be able to have a 2nd car for daily driving.

You car at 230 bhp must be returning low mpg? I bought a 99 diesel golf for very cheap money and I use it for daily driving.

I used to spend approx 80-90 Euro per week on petrol and Now with the diesel golf I spend only 20-30 Euro! The 60 Euro per week saving on fuel pays for the 2nd cars Tax and the 2nd car branch insurance was cheap too

I need to do this. Over the last week I've spent £140 odd on fuel, if that was a Diesel it would probably be £70! That includes a London trip though. But on a normal week I still put in around £70, I need to buy a Diesel as a runabout!