why is idrees banned?

[Spoonz]

i was nearly in the same boat has idress and was accussed of trading yet all ive done is broke 2 cars and sold 2 cars in 4-5 years of bein a member and TBH was shocked wen i got the pm sayin i was bein watched for trading. i can see where mods are coming from with banning idress has he dose sale alot of stuff but then for ppl on a budget ppl like idress are a great help to there projects etc etc.

i can also see the mods side of things but i see it more aimed towards keeping the traders happy then the site members but this is just my opinion and thats all it is.

i guess we have rules for a reason and no matter wat anyones says the mods will uphold these rules the best they can which to some ppl (including myself) think are not the best but there, there so we shud stick by them just my 2 p

 

[Phil]

also rick you had your own thread to discuss as maturely as you liked your own situation with dylan and others.

no point in diregarding someones comments that are "on topic" just because they arent on your topic.

also this thread will be left open for all this "stuff" not because anyone wants to read it or think its profitable, but because the mods wont close it for fear of being called controlling or overmoderating. which is great, but dont kid yourself into thinking your getting a mature soap box scene for your own personal plight.

this is a stupid thread thats only open because of the whinged that would persue its close.

g.g.g.g.g. get over it or bump up your old thread cause it was a good read.

Phil

 

[Guye]

What????

This is a very mature discussion on quite an important point which personally I think would make this community an even better place.

X2

 

[Rick]

I'm really not, it's called 'why is idrees banned?'. If I come into a thread called that, and talk about why Idrees was banned I've hardly missed the point. Can you see how it actually fits in quite well?

I think you should be a trader or not - if you have nothing new to bring to the site then why should you trade here? If you're not willing to make a small monetary commitment to being a trader (£100 or so isn't it?) then you shouldn't be a trader.

Trading in a way which breaks the rules highlights that someone shouldn't be a trader. Disregarding the rules hardly shows an understanding of how the trader thing works.

Dave

EDIT: I should add, I don't mean it to sound like 'You' personally Rick, I mean in general.

LOL!!! It takes quite a lot for me to take something personally fella. Anyway I do understand that the the title of the thread is "Why has Idrees been banned" but the thread has moved away from that and onto a bigger issue. I also agree that attempting to trade without a traders forum or not wanting to contribute to the cost of running the forum is very wrong, but there are people like myself who have provided a good service, applied for a traders forum and been turned down but I am still not able to sell anything on here either.

rules are changed when something wrong is going on that who did the rules didnt think off..

i personally think the trading/selling rules over here work very well for almost every one, as clearly you dont think so.

btw im not arguing or anything, im just exchanging ideas and what i think. (cos sometimes you can sound different after a keyboard)

And that is the entire point of this discussion mate, it's a thread where people can put forward their views and opinions on the trading policy.

 

[sx_turbo]

i believe most the traders couldnt care less about people breaking cars and selling them.

but

why should traders pay £100 per year which isnt a lot really, if all we had to do was just keep pleading that we are entitled to do what we want and sell what we want because the rules are stuck in the stoneage.

come on guys wake up and smell the coffee,


rick ebay isnt that expensive, i sold a tool box on there last week for £42 and all it cost me was £2.50 its not exactly lots is it, and i'm sure this small cost can be added onto the price of whatever your selling.

everybody else can do it (including us traders) so i cant see why the like of you and idrees cant

 

[Dave.]

Well, I still can't see the need for 'More of the same' though, unless I'm missing something drastic.

Just because someone can undercut a bigger trader by a small amount doesn't mean they're anymore valuable than a larger and well established trader.

When a good trader exists, it's important (in my opinion at least) to look after that person. Unless someone can bring something new or exceptional to the club, then why should they be a member?

I guess what I'm getting at is that I'd rather have a handful of bigger traders (they've more to loose though bad business) than a load of small ones who would just come and go.

Well put, Ricky, in the above post.

Dave

 

[Rick]

also rick you had your own thread to discuss as maturely as you liked your own situation with dylan and others.

no point in diregarding someones comments that are "on topic" just because they arent on your topic.

also this thread will be left open for all this "stuff" not because anyone wants to read it or think its profitable, but because the mods wont close it for fear of being called controlling or overmoderating. which is great, but dont kid yourself into thinking your getting a mature soap box scene for your own personal plight.

this is a stupid thread thats only open because of the whinged that would persue its close.

g.g.g.g.g. get over it or bump up your old thread cause it was a good read.

Phil

But the other thread was in the wrong section and nobody read it. In this section everybody reads it and it's possible to get more opinions on this issue.

But why is it a stupid thread? Yes I am challenging the rules of the forum but it is something that can be changed and in my opinion it would make this community a better place still.

 

[Dave.]

If it's about you, Rick, start one about you. How is anyone going to see it more in here (a thread about Idrees?)

Just because people are interested in Idrees thread doesn't mean to say you should be posting up your woes in here? I only clicked in to see about Idrees thread, you'll could be loosing a large number of folk who are uninterested in the petty-ness of Idrees's one week ban, but bothered about the matter of trading being sorted?

If not, then the folk interested in this thread don't have to navigate through pages of rubbish about trader rules.

 

[Rick]

i believe most the traders couldnt care less about people breaking cars and selling them.

but

why should traders pay £100 per year which isnt a lot really, if all we had to do was just keep pleading that we are entitled to do what we want and sell what we want because the rules are stuck in the stoneage.

come on guys wake up and smell the coffee,


rick ebay isnt that expensive, i sold a tool box on there last week for £42 and all it cost me was £2.50 its not exactly lots is it, and i'm sure this small cost can be added onto the price of whatever your selling.

everybody else can do it (including us traders) so i cant see why the like of you and idrees cant

Again I am quite prepared to pay the trader fee and have already offered fella.

I would be willing to bet that you listed your ebay ad with one photo, a start of 99p, no reserve and no buy it now price and that. Also I would also be willing to bet that you were just prepared to get whatever price the toolbox went for as you didn't have to make a profit on it.

 

[Guye]

IMHO this community became a better and safer place after these regulations on trading were put in place. I was so close to becoming a Kitaro victim but I was one of the lucky few to have received what I paid for, and I watched the JD saga from afar. Back then, too often there were predators cheating members of hard earned money and it didn't matter if it was just 2 members or an entire group buy. These rules are there for a very good reason and they have done the job of not just protecting existing traders, but more importantly the community as a whole. The mods aren't on some TGTT payroll so they shouldn't be expected to police a new system when the current one (restrictive as it may seem) is getting the job done. Don't change the rules, change the business model to fall into compliance.

 

[Rick]

If it's about you, Rick, start one about you. How is anyone going to see it more in here (a thread about Idrees?)

Just because people are interested in Idrees thread doesn't mean to say you should be posting up your woes in here? I only clicked in to see about Idrees thread, you'll could be loosing a large number of folk who are uninterested in the petty-ness of Idrees's one week ban, but bothered about the matter of trading being sorted?

If not, then the folk interested in this thread don't have to navigate through pages of rubbish about trader rules.

But if I did it would be moved into the relevent forum for suggestions and again nobody would read it. This thread is not specifically about me but I am speaking from my own personal opinions and experience.

 

[Dave.]

And if no-one read it, then what would that tell you?

It's not like it wouldn't show up in the 'New Posts' until people got bored posting in it?

 

[Jay]

Sorry to stay on topic but..

I feel it's pretty obvious why Idrees has earned a break from our pages.

In fact a blind man sitting backwards on a galloping horse in the pitch black of darkness with a blindfold on and his fingers in his ears should be able to - He was trading heavily.

Now trading is clearly in breach of our guidelines and so are the consequences.

Please believe me that Idrees and I get along quite well, in fact we have helped each other out quite a lot in the past but the sheer volume of parts, deals, cars that he has been going through cannot be ignored by the moderation staff.

He was given a warning shot which was seemingly ignored. A ban seemed the only way to promote the error of his ways. The mere fact that it came to this concerns me..

In conclusion, you cannot blame our moderation staff from upholding the rules of the forum. We have to set the tone for his future posting and also the tone for others trying to follow his lead.

Jay

 

[Rick]

But plenty of people have already contributed to this discussion so obviously everybody does have an opinion.

 

[sx_turbo]

But plenty of people have already contributed to this discussion so obviously everybody does have an opinion.

and 95% is not the same as yours.

so what does that tell you?

 

[Rick]

It says that 5% do agree with me and therefore is an issue worth fighting for.

 

[Texx]

It says that 5% do agree with me and therefore is an issue worth fighting for.

Seriously, your clutching at straws now mate. 95% is a majority, majority wins.

 

[sx_turbo]

Again I am quite prepared to pay the trader fee and have already offered fella.

I would be willing to bet that you listed your ebay ad with one photo, a start of 99p, no reserve and no buy it now price and that. Also I would also be willing to bet that you were just prepared to get whatever price the toolbox went for as you didn't have to make a profit on it.

quite the contrary, it had 3 photo's and a buy it now, and a start bid of £20

each photo is only 12p

i may have exagerated the cost a bit, it was probably close to £4, but either way it wasnt a lot

 

[Rick]

OK Ricky I stand corrected.

 

[Phil]

But the other thread was in the wrong section and nobody read it. In this section everybody reads it and it's possible to get more opinions on this issue.

But why is it a stupid thread? Yes I am challenging the rules of the forum but it is something that can be changed and in my opinion it would make this community a better place still.

rick us young pups constantly bash quicklinks and todays post/or new posts.

so it wont make a difference to whether the thread gets a good airing or not.

people are still viewing this thread because of its title. ie a member being banned.

and this thread is stupid because its about idrees, but is now be turned into a whinging match about the "system" in place for selling of goods. its also stupid because, if you were the adult of high integrity you claim to be you would accept that you have made you point to the moderation/admin team in the previous thread and im sure via pm and leave it at that. for now.

they arent thick, they know there is a slight grey area that could possibly be addressed, they are likely all brain storming now on possible solutions. you preaching about it is again (like this thread in its entirety) is more of a hinderance than a help to the situation.

Phil