3SGTE start up: A closer look.
- Thread starter TheStarletGT
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Looking at the vid somebody put up when he walks to the engine bay and picks the air flow meter up? only rev1&2 mr2's and early celica's have them as rev3+ mr2's and st205 have the map sensors.
AdDaMan
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lol, dude look what i replied to! You have the wrong end of the stick.
The vid you mentions is of an early st185 rev1 lump.
Iain@CRD
Lifer
This is funny.
Tim@TBDevelopments
Lifer
not exactly true most of it is people not knowing how to build the engine or how to tune it why the block cracks. I've built over 150 high bhp 3sgte engines never had a single once fail. only time i had cracking issues was on the 955bhp drag demo car and as long as i tuned the compression ratio correctly on the engine it still lasted a whole season of drag strip action at that power.
i'd put one of my built 3sgte engines against anyones starlet engines power for power on reliabilty anyday
not a dig at anyone but there is alot of wrong information being posted on the years and conditions of 3sgte blocks in this post. i feel where the 3sgte is my specialist engine i should atleast correct that information for the forums knowledge credibility.
Tim
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yaristurbo
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Look after any engine and it will look after you
Tim@TBDevelopments
Lifer
its not just that yes there is a weakpoint but nothing major, no more than i've seen on any other engine. you just need to know how to tune it and creating one just under 1000bhp at 2.7bar boost pressure i think proves my point.
Tim
Tim
not exactly true most of it is people not knowing how to build the engine or how to tune it why the block cracks. I've built over 150 high bhp 3sgte engines never had a single once fail. only time i had cracking issues was on the 955bhp drag demo car and as long as i tuned the compression ratio correctly on the engine it still lasted a whole season of drag strip action at that power.
i'd put one of my built 3sgte engines against anyones starlet engines power for power on reliabilty anyday
not a dig at anyone but there is alot of wrong information being posted on the years and conditions of 3sgte blocks in this post. i feel where the 3sgte is my specialist engine i should atleast correct that information for the forums knowledge credibility.
Tim
so your saying that of all the 3sgte engines that have been built all over the UK by many many tuners, they have all tuned them incorrectly?
yaristurbo
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It not engine failure itself it's component failure, i.e bearings, so many things could effect this,
Don't agree with the term engine failure it's always a component
Don't agree with the term engine failure it's always a component
richglanzav
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Tim@TBDevelopments
Lifer
not saying everyone else is wrong because cracks can happen, not just in 3sgte's but all engines ever made, its just a thing with cast iron but i've done over 150 3sgtes so far and not had cracking issues. But then again i'm cleaver with my builds, tune correctly, and not running stupid boost pressures on engines that need longevity.
Another misconception is there is no such thing as a thick and thin walled 3sgte. everyone version from the st165 celica through the mr2 and right upto the caldina ST246 and ever all versions of the 5sfe block all have exactly the same wall thickness. i've had them all at one point or another and ultra sonic tested every inch trying to find the strongest one for when we were developing the drag car.
if you want total unbreakable block just buy one of the WRC 3sgte which are still avalible. exactly the same just forged not cast so alot more dense material.
Tim
Tim@TBDevelopments
Lifer
you just have to know what your building
3SGTE
Tim
3SGTE
Tim
Tim@TBDevelopments
Lifer
spuddy how far do you want to go with your 3sgte?
Tim
TB Developments
Tim
TB Developments
spuddy
Ulster Area Rep.
1000hp or as close as humanly possible but I dont wanna be swapping blocks each year.
I'd be more than willing to have a chat with you though. As it stands at the moment I have spoken to ATS about shipping me a 5sfe built motor but I'm always open to suggestions.
Ideally the 2 litre would be preferable so I can run a higher rev limiter to suit such a laggy turbo.