the guys that i going with said its a days work plus the wire and gas to comply with reg's, but the quotes were different from 400 to 750 so it worth looking around to get the best deals,
are starlet parts overpriced or is it just me?
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starletburkie
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some parts are way over priced alright
starletburkie
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not a bit of me would trust them.
Look down through the rest of them chips man, the are the very same programs that a jam/blitz have, the plug and play ecu for starlets is the biggest money racket going for them right now, i dont no how the are made i dont think anyone does the dont come with much history, if we could get them chips for our starlets i bet u the jam/blitz would be no more. Can any one agree with that.
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Dean_Doherty_1990
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Its so funny because me and a mate where discussing this, parts for starlets are a fortune.
This being fact I have started to consider selling my glanza, I cant make my mind up
This being fact I have started to consider selling my glanza, I cant make my mind up
corofin12345
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its here and there really..... the price on parts have come down alot in recent years tho bar the few items that keep their price.. i bought my engine a good few years ago for 700euro, i see them selling for 3 or 400euro now... sad to think that a little square box (aftermarket ecu) can out price a full good engine... i also see alot of people over here in ireland breaking very good glanza's/gt's which annoys me, half the time the shells are scrapped after, before too long there will be more parts than cars about the place... good parts are in demand tho especially aftermaket parts so people do generally get what they ask for when selling parts, doesnt stop chancers selling fooked parts tho!
May be used parts prices have come down, but new items, especially from Toyota (original parts) are way too expensive. Cmon seriously £270 for map sensor (and it's a slow response sensor) on the camskil? It's a joke it's not even from Toyota Directly.... £92 for a TPS sensor £116.56 from Toyota, TD04 cost cheaper than standard CT9..... It's mad! I wish I knew the cost of spare parts, before I bought the car....
I agree with Corofin - the guys who breaks the cars sell the parts for reasonable price, but it's more like a hunt and luck!
I agree with Corofin - the guys who breaks the cars sell the parts for reasonable price, but it's more like a hunt and luck!
starletsy
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It's all about supply and demand un-like the nissan-subaru-evo boys our stock ecu cannot be remapped without opening it up and soldering in a daughter board to take a chip that can be re-written as the japs have done. There is simply not the market out there for someone to spend the time doing this.
The money markets have also played a part in keeping prices up as the yen is so strong against the pound now it has made buying new and second hand parts from japan alot more expensive than it was a few years back.
The money markets have also played a part in keeping prices up as the yen is so strong against the pound now it has made buying new and second hand parts from japan alot more expensive than it was a few years back.
Killamats
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Toyota have different prices too from one place to another. A friend of mine bought a new TPS directly from Toyota for £55 so there's different prices around. Sometimes I used to but OE parts directly from Toyota Japan, but like starletsy said, with the YEN being so strong against the pound and euro it's not always possible.
Judging by what I see, there is a much greater movement of parts for Subarus and Evos rather than Starlet, and that determines the prices. It goes by supply and demand. The JAM ECU is one of the few good plug and play ECUs for the Starlet, but there's a LOT of brands that make them for the Subaru's and that makes them cheaper. Same goes for Power FCs, there's a LOT more out there my Jap contact used to come across 10s of them every week in car part stores.
I came across this last week:
http://page16.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/u38789459
This just sold for an unbelievable £695!! And its still in Japan. It's even in Japan that some Starlet parts are expensive.
Boost controllers and other universal parts should be evenly priced wherever you buy it from, that I agree and slowly but steadily I have seen a move into that direction.
dac69er
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but power fc's for the rx7 are alot more common, and therefore cheaper so the market for the jam/blitz ecus would be smaller. we are comparing different cars here. in japan the rx7, subaru etc was considered more of a tuner car than the starlet so there would be more tuning parts for them. if there are more parts about, the prices will be lower.
sx_turbo
Lifer
the reson a lot of coilovers are £500 for starlets is from what i have seen of late they have been almost new coilovers.
i have seen plenty of used coilovers for starlets for £300 -£350 and less.
i paid £600 for a 2nd hand set of coilovers 4 years ago they were buddy clubs 6 months old and done 6000 mile and looked new condition, these coilovers are 1k new so £600 was a fair price imo,
the cost of 2nd hand parts are always relative to the cost of new parts and the condition of the actual item.
as for all the people winging about that starlets ar as common as the likes of imprezas etc, fuck off and open your eyes morons, there is very few items available for starlets that is still in production these days and as the years go buy there is less and less in production,
starlets in the grand scheme of things arent common enough for the likes of the big company's to carry on the production parts of each item, this pushes the prices up, the exchange rates also help keep up the prices of starlet parts at the mo, i used to always ship stuff over from japan, and pay very little for it, and it was worth while, now i have to look elsewhere for parts being manufactured over here, or i buy parts that need slight modification to make fit because the costs are just silly in japan at the moment, and this isnt just me its accross the whole community.
the parts that fit starlets that are readily available in the uk/europe are priced very faily and competively.
as for the ecu's i would rather spend the £500 on a standalone, than a jam type ecu, but i can see the appeal of the jam style ecu's, you spend the £500, then £60 for a fuelling and ignition check and then thats it, or you could spend £500 on a piggyback or standalone then say £100 fitting then £3-400 for mapping, for people with mildly tuned starlets this cost saving is actually quite substantial so the £500 people are asking is a fair [price.
the nissan/mitsubushi/subaru/honda ecu's can all be remapped, toyotas cannot, this is the reason for the pricing difference between mines ecus and the equivalent in starlets.
a remap on a subaru ecu is £350 and it suits your car so why would the subaru community buy a mines ecu for £500??????? think about it people open your eyes wake up and smell the coffee, you moaning bunch of gimps,
it's people like you that are causing the community to dry up of exciting builds because you all so tight you squeek, and because your not spending makes the market go up in cost cos there not producing enough to keep the costs down which means u have to pay more etc etc etc etc
it's the vicious circle of life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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SumoDan
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Man Speak's the Truth!
I'm not going to comment on what I think the Starlet Market has come too, But it has been ruined by Cheap nasty shizzle available that's for sure!
I can't believe how cheap Starlets/Glanza's are now!
spuddy
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The expensive stuff in my opinoin are stupid items. Fair enough a few years back an Apexi Ecu was a good job but for the money they go for give me a modern standalone anyday, options such as Coil pack control, fully sequential fueling, launch control, rally style antilag, NOS control, this list just goes on and on and on.
That said at least you can map a PowerFC to your car, these Blitz and Jam ECUs I just dont see the point off, I'd much rather go piggyback and once again have the car properly setup for my spec.
There are some rare items which to be fair I can see the apeal of, things like JAM exhaust Manifolds, blitz decats and HKS fuel rails. Not seen a Jam mani in a very long time. These are genuine rare items and you buy one not just for functionality but also simply just to say you have it.
Personally I think the parts are quite resonable or at least the parts I want or wanted, if something is expensive I can usually understand why, some turbo kits are expensive cause the price of a good Ball bearing turbo isn't cheap.
I've seen prices for some Honda stuff and I think we are lucky to be honest.
That said at least you can map a PowerFC to your car, these Blitz and Jam ECUs I just dont see the point off, I'd much rather go piggyback and once again have the car properly setup for my spec.
There are some rare items which to be fair I can see the apeal of, things like JAM exhaust Manifolds, blitz decats and HKS fuel rails. Not seen a Jam mani in a very long time. These are genuine rare items and you buy one not just for functionality but also simply just to say you have it.
Personally I think the parts are quite resonable or at least the parts I want or wanted, if something is expensive I can usually understand why, some turbo kits are expensive cause the price of a good Ball bearing turbo isn't cheap.
I've seen prices for some Honda stuff and I think we are lucky to be honest.
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dac69er
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if the older members cast their minds back 10 years we would have dreamed for the prices and availability of parts that we have now. simple parts werent as readily available as they are now and the prices were a lot higher.
there just want the cheapo stuff for starlets back then, but now the chavs are getting hold of them and they are getting more popular cheaper parts are about and people dont want to pay the money for a good quality JDM part.
and the ecu debate is a whole other can of worms which has been covered before. the premapped ecus have their place, and after seeing some of the shit maps people end up with these days (even from reputable companies) i can see a use for them on midly tuned cars. i have one and i love it. but also have 2 power fc's
and i agree about the honda stuff!!!!!!!!!!!
there just want the cheapo stuff for starlets back then, but now the chavs are getting hold of them and they are getting more popular cheaper parts are about and people dont want to pay the money for a good quality JDM part.
and the ecu debate is a whole other can of worms which has been covered before. the premapped ecus have their place, and after seeing some of the shit maps people end up with these days (even from reputable companies) i can see a use for them on midly tuned cars. i have one and i love it. but also have 2 power fc's
and i agree about the honda stuff!!!!!!!!!!!
gaetano_onsov
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totally agree I was reading total vauxhaul the other day and couldnt belive how much cheaper performance parts were but in comparison with other jap cars there a hell of a lot cheaper.
SupaStu
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lol maybe i'm older now but I still think parts for these cars are cheap. Normal servicing etc parts and others are fairly cheap from Toyota, and 3rd party suppliers, compare that to the Land Rover we run where all the parts are expensive, and made of plastic.
ECU's at £500 is a lot of money, but how hard are they to source at the present? No mapping costs and plug and play is desired where you just want an easy setup.
I would buy one, but have other priorities to spend £500 on, like wooden floors for the house lol...
ECU's at £500 is a lot of money, but how hard are they to source at the present? No mapping costs and plug and play is desired where you just want an easy setup.
I would buy one, but have other priorities to spend £500 on, like wooden floors for the house lol...
corofin12345
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ah but spuddy, we all dont have that kinda money nor the convenience of skipping over a few odd miles for a map... the only reason why these plug and play ecus are still getting the money is that they are so easy to play with..theres mental amount of people still looking for these.. i know theres cheaper ways like fcd+fpr but again that needs a rolling road which turns off people... they are 500 or so to buy and probably the greatest thing to fuel a ct9 at a bar or 1.1bar "for the price".... best thing about them i think is that when ya want to upgrade to tdo4, your ecu will fly out of your hands and there in front of you is hard cash to fund your next venture, that or if ya have the spare cash, keep the ecu to fuel the tdo4, weejohn was running 1.4bar with a tdo4 and blitz ecu, they cant be all that bad when seeing things like that
sx_turbo
Lifer
jam ecu's etc are ideal for people who have ct9's @1bar or hybrids @1bar, the overall cost savings to the piggy back or standalone setups are worthwile, the power/performance advantage of a piggyback/standalone dont warrant the extra money on such a mild setup.
power fc's are worth the money for the same reason jam manifolds, blitz decats and hks fuel rails, there are better out there but at the same time there not so easy compatible as power fc's are, and not many have the option of the power fc commander, which in my opinion is a very handy tool to have.
theres pro's and cons to a lot of it really.
the greatest time for starlets was when we had dave burwash and toby battling it out to sell the community parts, there was some great options out there, and there was more and more being developed and there was a big buzz around everything,
dave and toby would battle it out for starlet supremacy and it was good times, the forums were full of banter and many exciting projects, then toby had his accident was in hospital for months, orders didnt get processed for a very very long time, and by the time toby had sorted himself out the writing was on the wall, toby was shamed to oblivion and exiled, that left just dave burwash and monster motorsport, monster motorsport was/is massively pointless, dont really do anything with starlets and are from from helpful,
i have looked into other performance cars and trust me when i say they are not cheaper to own run and tune, subaru's parts are reasonable money, evo's are a bit dearer, then all the others get really expensive,
at the end of the day the starlets are the best price/performance ratio of any performance jdm car out there.
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