Im sure a FULLY qualified engine builder will know how to put gears on the cams mate, if the cams are not upto there job then problems happen, like the tapping noises??
Speedvision new billet cams 265 degrees and uprated valve springs
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Im sure a FULLY qualified engine builder will know how to put gears on the cams mate, if the cams are not upto there job then problems happen, like the tapping noises??
speedvision
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if you have gotten this info let me know and with all the variables included.
if the cams were not up to their job so many wont be running....in this post i have seen two members having tapping noise and i put it down to the spring pressure eating into the cam...all others have the milling which i have noted..
also just to note...phil@ccm had given me back a report after a couple hundred miles they had stripped the engine to do other work and no wear and tear was on the cam..but i think they were using stock springs...
also if the cams arent run in at a certain rpm it will eat away..
sam
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Dan-The-Glanza-Man
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has any one had trouble with the camshaft pulley seal leaking with these cams it may just need a new seal but thought i would ask on here aswel
Yes i did have this problem! and Darren fixed this problem by putting some sealing stuff on it!
Dave@TM-developments.com
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You need to use sealant on the cam pulley bolt
gorganl2000
Lifer
when dealing with cams, uprated springs, chamber work, P&P and the likes, its really in the owner's best interest to get it done by a professional with the right tools
yes, granted when u purchase certain parts u expect them to be within certain acceptable tolerances
with specific regards to springs and cams combination, pressures and clearances are very important...i'm no expert in this area, but too much or too little is a no-no,,,,which will lead to sub-optimal performance and/or premature wear
as sam indicated, he will communicate the info to the manufacturers to minimise any future issues...again these are made in batches and its possible that certain tolerances were not exact in a specific batch...hopefully better quality control by the manufacturers will sort that out
its the same with the head,,,, each head is a cast item and maybe slightly different and may require some adjustments
its just best to get everything checked properly...the same detail that is paid to the bottom end assmebly with forged items,,,needs to be paid to the head when "upgrading" from the stock set up,,,even in the slightest way
yes, granted when u purchase certain parts u expect them to be within certain acceptable tolerances
with specific regards to springs and cams combination, pressures and clearances are very important...i'm no expert in this area, but too much or too little is a no-no,,,,which will lead to sub-optimal performance and/or premature wear
as sam indicated, he will communicate the info to the manufacturers to minimise any future issues...again these are made in batches and its possible that certain tolerances were not exact in a specific batch...hopefully better quality control by the manufacturers will sort that out
its the same with the head,,,, each head is a cast item and maybe slightly different and may require some adjustments
its just best to get everything checked properly...the same detail that is paid to the bottom end assmebly with forged items,,,needs to be paid to the head when "upgrading" from the stock set up,,,even in the slightest way
Dan-The-Glanza-Man
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thanks dave b what like put sealant in the thread hole and then put the bolt in i thought it was the seal lol my bad
Dave@TM-developments.com
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Use a good thread sealant on the bolt
Dan-The-Glanza-Man
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locktight not do the trick think its only thing ive got at the mo have to go buy some thanks dave
Dan-The-Glanza-Man
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would never use this set up again base presure may need to be set up but then again why they being sold as direct fit because they aint really if you have to adjust them look whats happend to mine................
affy
Lifer
use teflon (tape) bro
same thing happend to me when i first put them in but since then its fine
Dan-The-Glanza-Man
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yeah worked good then found out cams and springs are such poor quality
affy
Lifer
sorry to hear bromines running spot on so far, hopefully wont have any issues, i've done over 1500 miles, been to london more than 3times and back, everything is spot on so far
it has made a difference what your plans now?
speedvision
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i really dont get how you can say the cams are bad quality and springs also..
its clear u were running a high base pressure..and u know if ur pressure is high it will eat and wear the cams away very easily....
so all is left for you is blame the part that its bad quality and not the builder of the engine? really sick of you guys when u cant do work correct and then blame the part...
i take responsibility for certain things but if u install incorrectly it will fuck up eventually...those who are running correct pressure and less stiffer springs have no problem whatsoever..
another thing i often see is that whenever a builder installs and the parts get messed up they blame the part and not their incorrect installation..THEY WILL NEVER TAKE THE BLAME WILL THEY?
sam
affy
Lifer
i dont think billet cams can be damaged unless its supporting modz are not done properly, spring pressure, clearence etc....
i didnt change anything at all as i didnt want to risk the head or cams being damaged as there are very few engineers who can get the correct settings for spring pressure etc.... well if i had money i'd ship it to toyota in japan lol
i hope everyone gets thier problems sorted,
but i really beleive the cams are fine, we should do a survey or ask all the users who have used only stock parts then compare them to the users who have changed thier springs etc then we will know the problem
if your going to change other parts then it has to be done 100%, the problem is there are too many engineers who cant do this but will try anyway and if things go wrong like sam said they wont take the blame because they are ENGINEERS! i know this because it happend to me not with the cams :haha: bt another issue regarding my head where and engineer screwed it up but everyone beleived him because of his position and my lack of knowledge :haha:
hope we can get all this sorted................so far i am having funnnnnnnnn with these babies, and only at 0.73bar
i didnt change anything at all as i didnt want to risk the head or cams being damaged as there are very few engineers who can get the correct settings for spring pressure etc.... well if i had money i'd ship it to toyota in japan lol
i hope everyone gets thier problems sorted,
but i really beleive the cams are fine, we should do a survey or ask all the users who have used only stock parts then compare them to the users who have changed thier springs etc then we will know the problem
if your going to change other parts then it has to be done 100%, the problem is there are too many engineers who cant do this but will try anyway and if things go wrong like sam said they wont take the blame because they are ENGINEERS! i know this because it happend to me not with the cams :haha: bt another issue regarding my head where and engineer screwed it up but everyone beleived him because of his position and my lack of knowledge :haha:
hope we can get all this sorted................so far i am having funnnnnnnnn with these babies,
and only at 0.73bar
whiteglanzav
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thats the thing people who have actually got them working say they r mint !!!
Dan-The-Glanza-Man
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mate i ran the cams for 1000 miles not only does the metal of the lubes start chiping away i need to get a picture up but as people have said we all thought these were good and having the first lot sold no one new they had to get base pressure checked as it stated on your page direct fit no reshimming needed till you even found out sam that there was a problem you stated on your site to cover yourself these may need adjustments i brought these both as we all no buy a combo of the same makes they work best buying these and having fitted buy nick all went down here i know its down to him to have checked it but to me they shouldent be buying sold the guy whos got my head just had another head do the same with the same cams and springs if you see my thread theyve ruined my 5e build as you all would be the same im so upset to see this........ there is no instalasion info with these cams or springs when got them what so ever so would be nice to be told that the cam pulley gear needs sealant in to stop oil coming out the thread if i didnt have known this oil on the belt could and sliped off ect and done the engine that way........... and also be reminded about checking the base pressure in the packet of the springs to remind who ever is fitting them good results of the sets i agree....... but criuze springs and cams have no issues what so ever they are a direct fit and so were these at a point till problems came along
Dan-The-Glanza-Man
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its not the cams thats the problem there ok if you look at my thread the springs are so so so high pressured its been eating away the spring caps to hold the springs down now thats some pressure thats why i blame the part to me they should also be being pressured tested before sealed in a packet and sold.............. im sure many will agree with me if you buy a car and next day it catches fire due to a fault it goes back and a new one is given to you or that part repaired i know because thats how life is at vauxhall with there warranty they dont make a car without testing it all once they are then many more are made
Shorty
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i agree totaly, to make somthing like a valve spring or cam based on the "it looks good to me" approch is not good enough, the spring shoud be an exact copy of cruise ones not just bassed on them then made a bit harder! cruise knew what they where doing so to make them harder than cruise is asking for issues imo. and cams are a very precise bit of kit they should be spot on in every detail possable so for locating pin holes to be in the wrong place so that the cam gear is out on timing marks is an epic fail imo as the driling of that hole has to be the easiest part of the process so if they fuck that up i wouldnt hold much hope for there abbility to replicate good parts and the worst is sam put his name to there poor ability speedvision is a good trader the machinest he uses is not!!
speedvision is a good trader the machinest he uses is not!!
J25GTi
Lifer
i agree totaly, to make somthing like a valve spring or cam based on the "it looks good to me" approch is not good enough, the spring shoud be an exact copy of cruise ones not just bassed on them then made a bit harder! cruise knew what they where doing so to make them harder than cruise is asking for issues imo. and cams are a very precise bit of kit they should be spot on in every detail possable so for locating pin holes to be in the wrong place so that the cam gear is out on timing marks is an epic fail imo as the driling of that hole has to be the easiest part of the process so if they fuck that up i wouldnt hold much hope for there abbility to replicate good parts and the worst is sam put his name to there poor ability
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you do not pay whats (lets face it) An awful lot of money, for a bit of kit, to find out that it doesnt fit, falls apart, and is generally not up to scratch...
Someone said earlier about when theyw ork right how amazingf they are, but thats the thing, SO many people are having problems with these, that they dont work right,
I would be savage if i got them to the engine builder and had to spend £000's extra ontop of what should have been a simple job to get them to fit right...
Not all of us can afford to spend money willy nilly on our cars, so if a problem like that comes up, then we are without our car, and no money to do anything about it!