Why are people Breaking their High Spec'd Starlets ?

[sx_turbo]

beacause it broke my heart,left me in broke every weekend,out to 4 in the morning working at it,and near reduced me to tears at times,why let some1 else drive what i busted my balls and worked so hard for?
fuck that.

x2


the car does become awkward to drive daily also, the running costs dont get any more expensive though.


people get down hearted when there is a never ending sea of problems.

the project never truly ends, there is always something that you decide to change.

there is so much money tied up in the car that people arent willing to pay for if sold as a whole so best thing is to break it so you can get maximum money back,

most people generally move on to bigger more powerful more expensive cars and need as much money back out of the starlet as possible.

 

[Dane_Bristol]

I have no intention of breaking mine, in fact i have a few more plans for it and even once i have reached that point it would be extremely difficult for me to break it due to the 4 years nearly in the making. I have had a long list of problems and thought that i should give up once or twice but just could not bring myself to do so and now that i have faught the problems the car is reaping the benefits as it is giving me the smile on my face that not many cars out there can at this level.

 

[kirky1]

i dont get why people say they are hard to drive them every day when youve got 250+bhp, cant you just turn the gain and ratio settings down with an ebc

 

[Rumel786]

i dont get why people say they are hard to drive them every day when youve got 250+bhp, cant you just turn the gain and ratio settings down with an ebc

If you think about it the more modifcations you add the more different it feels to drive.

I drove a stock ep the other day, got to admit compared to my old one yes it wasnt as fast BUT it was real fun as it just felt so so smooth and confortable....

I broke my car as i just had too many problems, one after another and couldnt bare feeding it anymore cash however i broke it based on my next project (11 second ep)

I currently have 3 other cars in my possesion so of course the ep wont be used as a daily driver however the reason i am breaking then building a new is because it is better money. A fresh start.

I have had many of my friends tell me "just get your golf super charged" and maybe i will in the future BUT i wanted something different to keep hence why il be doing a new build but inspired by the maltese this time though

 

[sx_turbo]

i cant see how breaking ur car was beneficial though rumel?

ok so you got a load of money, but now that money is being spent to buy another ep and tune it from scratch, so effectively it's gonna cost you more.



i dont think you will build another gt, and if you do i dont think it will get to be the 11 sec ep you say you will build.


but you are right about it becoming uncomfortable, but it depends what you aim for.

my 1st starlet was a dream to drive daily, nice and quiet and smooth, and just generally a nice car to drive running 1bar of boost lovely.

now my 2nd starlet, the engine is forged, i have more handling upgrades, i have a racing mechanical diff, race harnesses, a paddle clutch etc, it's still great to drive and fun, but my god it's noisy and uncomfortable and a pain in the arse to drive around town.

this is my own fault as it is now more track orientated even though the chances of it ever seeing the track is pretty slim lol.

 

[y3Lo]

my starlets for sale as i wanted a nicer car, more comfortable so i bought the ek9, which had a few mods already, full exhaust system incl decat and mani, lowered, uprated brakes, panel filter.. not much but it does handle realy well and it's a cracking example so i've now thought i dont want to spend any cash on it and ruin it.

never realy finished my starlet though, no major spec just WEPR power up kit, hybrid turbo etc, basicaly everything in place to run 1,2 bar except a new clutch and emanage. would love to get it done so im toying with the idea of keeping it for now and use it occasionally. all depends on money though

 

[Rumel786]

i cant see how breaking ur car was beneficial though rumel?

ok so you got a load of money, but now that money is being spent to buy another ep and tune it from scratch, so effectively it's gonna cost you more.

i dont think you will build another gt, and if you do i dont think it will get to be the 11 sec ep you say you will build.

Ricky the reason i broke was because i wanted a fresh start...more things were messing up on the car and i just wanted to get rid and get a reliable one, yes more money is going into my new build, BUT not much more, approx 3k most extra il be putting in & im not going for a build where i have 500 HP, the build will be within 400bhp approx but that will be finely tuned and tuned intended for track use only, i know its not as easy as i think it is, of course i will come across alot of problems but thats the joy if the build.

Over coming what you think is not possible and pushing the car to its limit!

This is the reason why im currently talking to a few well knowledged members and discussing posibillites as to how i build my engine and to what spec etc and turbo i pick and what tyres/wheels etc as i am taking everything into consideration

This build im going to take my time on and once i have fully planned everything out i will not rush out and buy things. I did this previously and made a big mistake.

 

[Arnold]

Reading this thread has put some doubt into my mind about continuing to modify mine! Am i going to get bored with it? Should i be using money I've saved up rather than the credit card? Etc.. or should i grab some bargains and buy the parts you are breaking.

Personally, I'd rather break a car than sell it. I'm in agreement with the above quotes in that you've spent all your time and effort into something which someone else will just benefit from, and, if you make more money from breaking them it just seems like the sensible option. You could always convert it back to standard, so at least the car/shell is usable to someone else.

 

[sacodetoro]

hmmm though who has these impractical cars at 320bhp? there isnt many floating about, and any that i know off have a specific purpose and it isnt to get them to work lol

Phil

I dunno lol, you're right. It's just most people who are breaking I think just go for big power without thinking how it'll affect driveability.

thrust me a 300+bhp startlet is alot more fun to drive than a240 bhp starlet.. get power down is hard allright but can be done..

I'm sure it probably is

Where I'm coming from though is that I want it to be fun every time I drive it not just when I wanna go out for a blast, like going to the shop etc.
I do alot of miles in my GT with work etc so I want something that acts like an everyday car when I'm cruising but turns into a raging machine when you nail it :haha:

 

[sx_turbo]

Ricky the reason i broke was because i wanted a fresh start...more things were messing up on the car and i just wanted to get rid and get a reliable one, yes more money is going into my new build, BUT not much more, approx 3k most extra il be putting in & im not going for a build where i have 500 HP, the build will be within 400bhp approx but that will be finely tuned and tuned intended for track use only, i know its not as easy as i think it is, of course i will come across alot of problems but thats the joy if the build.

Over coming what you think is not possible and pushing the car to its limit!

This is the reason why im currently talking to a few well knowledged members and discussing posibillites as to how i build my engine and to what spec etc and turbo i pick and what tyres/wheels etc as i am taking everything into consideration

This build im going to take my time on and once i have fully planned everything out i will not rush out and buy things. I did this previously and made a big mistake.

i bet you wont do it,

you'll get half way through at most i reckon then decide you havnt got the money, or time, or the patience etc etc etc

just like the last one.

the problems you had with the last car were hardly anything majour,

i dont mean to single you out rumel you seem like a nice enough fella, but you do talk and dream a lot on the site, and to be fair everything you said you would do/want to do hasnt come to fruition,

i'm sure there are others that do this on the site but for some reason you stand out more than most.

oh and i still have that fleece for you and maybe some other freebies if you do ever make your dream

 

[sx_turbo]

Where I'm coming from though is that I want it to be fun every time I drive it not just when I wanna go out for a blast, like going to the shop etc.
I do alot of miles in my GT with work etc so I want something that acts like an everyday car when I'm cruising but turns into a raging machine when you nail it :haha:

it's so easy to set out the original goal to keep everyday driveability, and completely miss it by a mile through 1 or 2 wrong choices

 

[D3N0]

I live in both herfordshire and east london, i work in central london near Tower bridge. i start work at 6am which requires me to get the car started up at 5am, and the neighbours dont like it much, but touch. i absolutely j'dore my glanza, its raw and different and still draws beauties to my window. Driving through london is kool too, weither its boosting down king williams st beside the bank of england, parked on idle at liverpool street, burning up farringdon road or enjoying various tunnels were everyone of them sound a little bit different. it takes me 45mins to get from hatfield to tower bridge in the morning, and enjoy it very much - the best part of going to work in my opinion. I spend on my glanza because i love them and is a full enthusiast, id help anyone out if i had the time and parts that i dont think il ever use u can have for free.

Yes the paddle clutch is a tad harsh for city driving, Yes my forged engine makes a bit more noise,Etc. but all are characteristics that you know will come with above mild to advanced tuning, which makes u different and better than the norm. i literally fall asleep when i have to drive normal cars, my company car is prius and its a right snore (exept the new prius).

The point im tryin to make is most buy to be a part of a life style that have seen advertised in films, other live the lifestyle and very few make the orignal lifestyle naturally on there own. If i had my way my house would be a large 3 storey tuner garage, and my bed would be the garage ramp with a ikea mattrese on it. i wouldnt eat with knife and fork, but would eat with a phillips screwdriver, 17" spanner and a 1/2" rachet.
***Make sure what u want out of the car before u tune***

If u have the money, run a second car. breaking for me is no option. you will only get second hand toyota parts from me. i tried to break the car for parts at one stage, took over £2000, but just couldnt have the heart to sent the parts, so i sent the money back.

ive only sold one aftermarket item which was a TD04l kit from speedvisions, only reason was i it was for a 4e and i was going 5e. the item was totally unused for 9months of ownership, which went to julien.

 

[KevinK]

very interesting thread this is!

i have not really ventured into the high HP possibilities yet and never really plan to as its ot much money me thinks...

Still i must admit i spent shitloads on the handling other springs, shocks, swaybars, strutbars etc. in the end its not worth it imho.

the handling on these cars can be made great but at such a cost of comfort its not worth it. If its your daily drive, like mine is, then don't go all drool over coillies and the likes. It's all fun and cool in the beginning but after a while it just gets annoying. I am back to stock shocks and normal lowering springs. I enjoy the ride much more and so what i cant corner so fast anymore, i am not on a racetrack anyway! What really made my mind up is just simply stepping into a new car. i drove a golf and a mazda 3 lately, the way cars nowadays have comfort AND handling is a whole other ballgame than our EP's to be honest. Even the bumpiest roads are taken smoothly and on cornering they handle sufficient. That really made me realize i was going nuts trying to make my EP handle as good/better than modern cars but at the same time completely destroyed the daily drive-ability of it. There even are certain roads i can take at higher speeds with much more comfort with my current setup because the car isn't bouncing of the road anymore!

this hardcore stuff just isn't for me i guess...

 

[sacodetoro]

it's so easy to set out the original goal to keep everyday driveability, and completely miss it by a mile through 1 or 2 wrong choices

I agree with you on that, it's about whether your prepared to try one thing and then change to another thing without getting annoyed with the car

very interesting thread this is!

i have not really ventured into the high HP possibilities yet and never really plan to as its ot much money me thinks...

Still i must admit i spent shitloads on the handling other springs, shocks, swaybars, strutbars etc. in the end its not worth it imho.

the handling on these cars can be made great but at such a cost of comfort its not worth it. If its your daily drive, like mine is, then don't go all drool over coillies and the likes. It's all fun and cool in the beginning but after a while it just gets annoying. I am back to stock shocks and normal lowering springs. I enjoy the ride much more and so what i cant corner so fast anymore, i am not on a racetrack anyway! What really made my mind up is just simply stepping into a new car. i drove a golf and a mazda 3 lately, the way cars nowadays have comfort AND handling is a whole other ballgame than our EP's to be honest. Even the bumpiest roads are taken smoothly and on cornering they handle sufficient. That really made me realize i was going nuts trying to make my EP handle as good/better than modern cars but at the same time completely destroyed the daily drive-ability of it. There even are certain roads i can take at higher speeds with much more comfort with my current setup because the car isn't bouncing of the road anymore!

this hardcore stuff just isn't for me i guess...

Everybody yells from the roof tops how coilovers are a must but I disagree, I had TRD coilovers in my car and it handled great on a newly laid road with no bumps but terribly on the back roads even with little bumps.

I made the move to KYB Special SR's and espilar springs and it's perfect for what I want, fast road use and I can nail it on even the worst of roads and have confidence in the car sticking to the road.

 

[SupaStu]

I keep mine tuned to a respective "under" fuel cut level, I need it to get to work and out and about, and dont want to pay for more fuel.

However its still comfy to drive (Tein SS coilovers, Duncun knows the craic with these), and its still very reliable, everything works as it should, and toyota parts are reliable, and not that expensive (compare to european parts), and I find it cheap to insure.

I smile everytime I drive it.

Many of my friends and family have new or newer cars, many electric problems, poor workmanship on some european cars, high part costs, and basically they are boring to drive. I've have spent comparitively little on my glanza, a few choice expensive mods. My car is paid for and cheap to look after.

My mate who runs a megane and clio is fed up paying top dollar for newish used cars, now wants to turn the clock back and go back to an MR2, for fun, and to have at least pride in a car he likes.

If I can tho, I will buy another car (we also have a land rover), like a scooby estate for our dogs, and whatever else happens in the future.

I don;t think I would break, but would rather keep than regret selling another one.

 

[GaryGT]

Funny Thread

But at the end of the Day if its getting you down
MOVE ON
For me im afraid its in my Blood i cant move on form any of my EP's
and when i get bored ders always a EP rolling into my yard with problems which i gladly tackcle
Toyoat EP for life for me :rockon:


"IF you Build it Drive it"

 

[Dan3SGTE]

If my starlet was my every day drive i wouldnt own it anymore.

As im able to buy an every day fun car as well as my starlet then i have no problems in keeping it. My starlet will be used purley for fun/track days/meets and drag days. And when i need the ultimate adrenline buzz from time to time.

For an everyday car, a tuned 1.3(bigger turbo) IMO is horrible. Its laggy, spins too much when it kicks in, you need to use alot of throttle to build up a decent speed. That would annoy me too much. This could also be others reasons?

 

[Johnny_C]

"IF you Build it Drive it"

was that aimed at me ya bollox,lol!

 

[Rory]

Would depend on the size of the turbo surley? ie at TD05 i can understand.

For an everyday car, a tuned 1.3(bigger turbo) IMO is horrible. Its laggy, spins too much when it kicks in, you need to use alot of throttle to build up a decent speed. That would annoy me too much. This could also be others reasons?

Personally think a TD04 equipped Starlet is perfect for everyday tootling and giving the odd thrash.
I still think a hybrid CT9 would be to much response, police would have a field day with Asbo's with blow off valves going off everywhere.

My own car i find is great around town.
Police dont bother me, for excessive acceleration and all that bumf.

I also own a big Derv estate for when i need the room. Comfort machine! :drive:

 

[Dan3SGTE]

Would depend on the size of the turbo surley? ie at TD05 i can understand.




Personally think a TD04 equipped Starlet is perfect for everyday tootling and giving the odd thrash.
I still think a hybrid CT9 would be to much response, police would have a field day with Asbo's with blow off valves going off everywhere.

My own car i find is great around town.
Police dont bother me, for excessive acceleration and all that bumf.

I also own a big Derv estate for when i need the room. Comfort machine! :drive:

Td04 on a starlet is quite nice actually, its fairly smooth throughout and the lag is bearable for town driving in my opinion. Could be bit more pokey low down for my liking though. I like my dailys to have lots of response. Diesels are ideal really, however i'd be stupid and buy something like an S14 for a daily lol