F.A.O EveryBody - Re AKKI's AUTO's
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97'GlanzaVTurbo
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Guys some of the replies on this thread have obviously not been thought about before posting.
As it has been said numerous times the Moderators & Admin make all the decisions on the site as a group so no-one is going on a power trip to get rid of Akki. We have all had our own input on whether or not Akki's Trader status should be renewed or not, and we decided with VALID reasons not to renew his account. The reasons wont be discussed and I see people saying aye but dont give any names (So what exactly do you want us to say to Akki, if we cant give names or details about certain reasons then he will be in the same position now with no answers) You all arent really making any sense. Everyones trading accounts were looked at when the annual renewal came up and decisions where made, simple as that. Also I see people going down the other traders deserve it more (I can ensure that is not the case as we reviewed everyone, and if you have any reasons why you think a trader shouldnt be part of TGTT then please feel free to contact a Moderator/Admin and we will put it to discussion between the staff, AS WE DO WITH ANY COMPLAINT.)
To become a trader on TGTT is quite a detailed process and NO-ONE get accpeted/rejected with the staff discussing the decision. When I came to the site I had a interest in becoming a trader and importing cars. Dylan came back with the decision of no, advising he put it to the staff and they decided not to give me a trading account. I accepted what they said and got on with it, didnt complain and now im a Super Moderator on the site. You can tell alot about people by how the handle situations, like why Akki would you open a thread in a public forum asking for an explaination to why you werent accepted to trade?? Obviously there are reasons behind our decisions and ones you wouldnt want to be put on a public forum if you wish to continue a career in importing cars etc. The reasons wont be discussed for privacy reasons (And if any member come to us in confidence you wouldnt want us putting your reasons on a public forum, would you??)
Akki I wish you all the best in what you do next, you obviously have a few loyal customers so should be able to get back on your feet in no time.
Christy
As it has been said numerous times the Moderators & Admin make all the decisions on the site as a group so no-one is going on a power trip to get rid of Akki. We have all had our own input on whether or not Akki's Trader status should be renewed or not, and we decided with VALID reasons not to renew his account. The reasons wont be discussed and I see people saying aye but dont give any names (So what exactly do you want us to say to Akki, if we cant give names or details about certain reasons then he will be in the same position now with no answers) You all arent really making any sense. Everyones trading accounts were looked at when the annual renewal came up and decisions where made, simple as that. Also I see people going down the other traders deserve it more (I can ensure that is not the case as we reviewed everyone, and if you have any reasons why you think a trader shouldnt be part of TGTT then please feel free to contact a Moderator/Admin and we will put it to discussion between the staff, AS WE DO WITH ANY COMPLAINT.)
To become a trader on TGTT is quite a detailed process and NO-ONE get accpeted/rejected with the staff discussing the decision. When I came to the site I had a interest in becoming a trader and importing cars. Dylan came back with the decision of no, advising he put it to the staff and they decided not to give me a trading account. I accepted what they said and got on with it, didnt complain and now im a Super Moderator on the site. You can tell alot about people by how the handle situations, like why Akki would you open a thread in a public forum asking for an explaination to why you werent accepted to trade?? Obviously there are reasons behind our decisions and ones you wouldnt want to be put on a public forum if you wish to continue a career in importing cars etc. The reasons wont be discussed for privacy reasons (And if any member come to us in confidence you wouldnt want us putting your reasons on a public forum, would you??)
Akki I wish you all the best in what you do next, you obviously have a few loyal customers so should be able to get back on your feet in no time.
Christy
Rick
Trader
I do totally agree that if admin have made the decision not to renew Akki's trading licence that should be the end of it. I also believe that they have made the right decision for all forum members and that no "Power trip" comes into it.
BUT.......
I work in a customer facing industry and trust me when I say that the general public are the biggest liars on the planet, especially if they feel that they have been wronged. I do take it from what has been said that obviously 1 or more people have made complaints about him but I do feel that Akki has a right to respond to any claims made against him. It's very difficult to make a decision based on the experience of one side of an issue. It's very much like facing trial without being able to enter a defence, just guilty but without even being told what the crime was.
I also believe that if people don't want to be identified, that should be the case but what if it is somebody who just wants to put him out of business for whatever reason?
Admin are at liberty to make whatever decision they feel is best and I stand by them, but I do also feel that Akki has a right to be able to respond to whatever he has been accused of, even in private naming no names.
That's my view anyway.
BUT.......
I work in a customer facing industry and trust me when I say that the general public are the biggest liars on the planet, especially if they feel that they have been wronged. I do take it from what has been said that obviously 1 or more people have made complaints about him but I do feel that Akki has a right to respond to any claims made against him. It's very difficult to make a decision based on the experience of one side of an issue. It's very much like facing trial without being able to enter a defence, just guilty but without even being told what the crime was.
I also believe that if people don't want to be identified, that should be the case but what if it is somebody who just wants to put him out of business for whatever reason?
Admin are at liberty to make whatever decision they feel is best and I stand by them, but I do also feel that Akki has a right to be able to respond to whatever he has been accused of, even in private naming no names.
That's my view anyway.
starlet-gtT224
Lifer
see i personally think its not fair!
every one deserves a reason to the action taken against them! and no offence it does seem that because the power is in their hands they do not have to give a reason well think about it if someone cancelled one of the mods rights what would they say? would they just take it on the chin as u say and leave it at that! no!
and to be honest i do accept that ppl who have problems do not want to be named but if this is as serious as it looks names dont matter as its more than one problem and a reasonable explination is deserved,
i do think ppl should have went to him before it came to this! tell me one thing, if u (the Moderators) went to work one day as thats your source of income and u got fired with no explination what would u do? claim for un fair dismissal? yeah i think u would!! no offence but no one is perfect and ppl make mistakes but thats life and u dont have to take it to the furthest stage straight away by the sounds of things he has better rep than things went wrong!
hope all the best for u dude and i know that everyone will support u all the way!!
every one deserves a reason to the action taken against them! and no offence it does seem that because the power is in their hands they do not have to give a reason well think about it if someone cancelled one of the mods rights what would they say? would they just take it on the chin as u say and leave it at that! no!
and to be honest i do accept that ppl who have problems do not want to be named but if this is as serious as it looks names dont matter as its more than one problem and a reasonable explination is deserved,
i do think ppl should have went to him before it came to this! tell me one thing, if u (the Moderators) went to work one day as thats your source of income and u got fired with no explination what would u do? claim for un fair dismissal? yeah i think u would!! no offence but no one is perfect and ppl make mistakes but thats life and u dont have to take it to the furthest stage straight away by the sounds of things he has better rep than things went wrong!
hope all the best for u dude and i know that everyone will support u all the way!!
97'GlanzaVTurbo
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Sorry dont really agree that he should be told the reasons behind it.
I want you all to think about something for a minute. If you get a service from a person/company and you arent happy with that service, do you do:
a) Go back to the company/person and ask for your issues to be resolved
b) Go to trading standards
c) Go back to company/person and still not get it resolved or still not happy then go to trading standards and see what they think.
Now the normal approach would be C, now again the reasons wont be discussed but my point is if it gets to a stage where us as moderators have numerous reasons to not renew Akki's Trader account then we should have to explain to him why, its as simple as that.
Now im not saying that all our traders are prefect, but rest assured that ALL traders are treated the same and if we have any issues with the traders/members we will do everything we can to resolve the issues and stop them happening again. At the end of the day the point of us Moderators/Admin is to look after the site and its population, if we feel that Akki shouldnt be a trader then you should stick by our decision as we always to our almost to help you all and make it a better place to be.
For people who say the site is all controlled now
Im confused by that to be honest of course the site is controlled and as far as I can see moving in the right direction, there has been HUGE changes to the site ALL for the better and for people to make petty remarks as they ahve done in this thread about the site shows a lack of appreciation for the work Macker,Dylan,Jay,Franza and all the mods have put into the site over the past few years to bring you what is the best EP site on the internet!!!Christy
sx_turbo
Lifer
i tried that route at the time of the event, and all i was told was maybe it was a misunderstanding. i even tried speaking to said trader and just got fobbed off.
any way back to akki, you can tell him reasons without naming people, just say that the admin had a few complaints about his services that you the admin thought was to severe to be able to renew his traders status.
no names, and if it was that severe to ban him from trading then he wouldnt know who it was either due to the fact that there must have been more than 1 complaint.
anyway the decision has been made and i am certain the mods are doing a good job, but still a reason should be given,
you never know but it may help him understand where he went wrong so he can improve himself.
also as stated by dave it may be a ploy by akki
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97'GlanzaVTurbo
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Thats very narrow minded to be honest. If Dylan came to me and said 'Christy I am revoking your Super Moderator status to a normal member and I was advised there are valid reasons behind this' then yes I would believe him and take it on the chin. We have explained the process to become a trader and the process of how we reveiw traders so what more do you need to know. We ALL made the decision and a decision isnt made until everyone has there put in.
And if I went to work (My only source of income) and they said your fired, yes again I would take it on the chin because I would already know in my head what I have done wrong. To get to a point of not renewing a trading account or losing your job you know yourself what you have done wrong unless your stupid!! Like personally if I walked into work one day and they said your sack (I would know its because im a lazy cunt who sits on TGTT all day.haha) And I would call them out to the main floor to agrue with them to explain the reasons why!!! I would pack my stuff and get a new job.
Christy
www.glanza.co.uk
Super Mod (極度の調整器)
Good points have been raised in this thread, and they're certainly being taken on board by us Mods for future consideration...
One thing I will say however, is that acceptance of Trading rights for an individual or company does not come with an automatic guarantee that the annual renewal will be successful. We have never stated to Traders that they will automatically renew, nor have we ever said that there will be an explanation if they do not. Another point to note, is that even if a non-renewed trader did get the chance to answer the concerns raised against them, then once more, that doesn't mean that trading rights will be granted.
Don't get me wrong, I can see where the confusion/dissapointment lies, but at the end of the day, any issues that may have arisen will have been communicated to Akki by the parties concerned, as lets face it, we're all a vocal bunch on here (this thread serves to confirm that statement), and nothing gets swept under the carpet without being discussed first...
I can appreciate why people are saying we should offer an explanation, but consider the flip side of the coin as well. Decisions like this are not taken lightly, and as Dylan has already said, are taken with the members needs foremost. We always look at positives and negatives of each situation, and do not merely act on the bad.
The decision has been made, Akki can still come on here as a member and sell his personal effects via the classified section. It would be a happier place if we accepted this and moved along...
One thing I will say however, is that acceptance of Trading rights for an individual or company does not come with an automatic guarantee that the annual renewal will be successful. We have never stated to Traders that they will automatically renew, nor have we ever said that there will be an explanation if they do not. Another point to note, is that even if a non-renewed trader did get the chance to answer the concerns raised against them, then once more, that doesn't mean that trading rights will be granted.
Don't get me wrong, I can see where the confusion/dissapointment lies, but at the end of the day, any issues that may have arisen will have been communicated to Akki by the parties concerned, as lets face it, we're all a vocal bunch on here (this thread serves to confirm that statement), and nothing gets swept under the carpet without being discussed first...
I can appreciate why people are saying we should offer an explanation, but consider the flip side of the coin as well. Decisions like this are not taken lightly, and as Dylan has already said, are taken with the members needs foremost. We always look at positives and negatives of each situation, and do not merely act on the bad.
The decision has been made, Akki can still come on here as a member and sell his personal effects via the classified section. It would be a happier place if we accepted this and moved along...
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faisalgtturbo
Member +
all i gonna say is if he wanted to carry on trading he could have joined again under another id and carried on....(just example not implying anything)
the guy is genuine and trying to trade on here like anyone else... with both positve and negative feedback...
we all have good and bad feedback
again this is an example i know trevor has a cult following and i like the trevor and his service:
i can remeber when trevor sold a evo 2/3 to some guy all those years ago
mods got involved the situatuaiton got resolved ... end off ...
trevor happy/ mods happy/ guy bought evo ok aswell
all i gonna say is its between the mods and akky
sort the issue out please
also it seems like there is an issue with bradford...
fair enaough bradford does have a bad reputation but if people like akky cannot be traders how are we in bradford gonna get a better rep....
there are a number of very good traders in bradford at this minute..
faisal
the guy is genuine and trying to trade on here like anyone else... with both positve and negative feedback...
we all have good and bad feedback
again this is an example i know trevor has a cult following and i like the trevor and his service:
i can remeber when trevor sold a evo 2/3 to some guy all those years ago
mods got involved the situatuaiton got resolved ... end off ...
trevor happy/ mods happy/ guy bought evo ok aswell
all i gonna say is its between the mods and akky
sort the issue out please
also it seems like there is an issue with bradford...
fair enaough bradford does have a bad reputation but if people like akky cannot be traders how are we in bradford gonna get a better rep....
there are a number of very good traders in bradford at this minute..
faisal
faisalgtturbo
Member +
One thing I will say however, is that acceptance of Trading rights for an individual or company does not come with an automatic guarantee that the annual renewal will be successful. We have never stated to Traders that they will automatically renew, nor have we ever said that there will be an explanation if they do not. Another point to note, is that even if a non-renewed trader did get the chance to answer the concerns raised against them, then once more, that doesn't mean that trading rights will be granted.
quote from glanza.co.uk
sorry but this dosnt make sense to me...
ur saying if toby or mr burwash dont satify your rules etc u will show them tthe door
some how i dont think so.....
they and a number of other traders have been on here for years your self included (glanza.co.uk)
this is the first time i heard of this...
there are also traders who are inactive.. or not selling items why are they considered and not a actual trader who will sell items
not just akky other traders i think azeb whatever he was called
faisal
quote from glanza.co.uk
sorry but this dosnt make sense to me...
ur saying if toby or mr burwash dont satify your rules etc u will show them tthe door
some how i dont think so.....
they and a number of other traders have been on here for years your self included (glanza.co.uk)
this is the first time i heard of this...
there are also traders who are inactive.. or not selling items why are they considered and not a actual trader who will sell items
not just akky other traders i think azeb whatever he was called
faisal
faisalgtturbo
Member +
somehow i knew u would be supportting the mods
did u join the NF party or what....
faisal
muthaducka
Member +
There are many ways of looking at this but something constructive may come out of this. In my opinion, without any information other than trading rights removed and not one negative post against Akki on here, it looks like guilty until proven innocent! With no option for parole and no hearing.
With that reason and without a forward thinking approach to this, I won't be using this forum again and will move straight over to the uk forum.
I would like to see a pro-active approach to this without going into details about the complaint;
1. Develop or display in a better manner positive and negative feedback for purchases, like ebay, only for traders. Use of membership money or small percentage of trade sales could go towards developing this system.
2. Give Akki his trader status back - until he is proven guilty in a fair manner (already told this isn't going to happen because of complaints told in confidence - which is ok) Steer round it. Give Akki his status back, everyone deserves at least another chance if they have a faultless past?
3. Create a poll, let the people decide (an unbiased jury) whether his status is renewed. I think you will find that without proof, Akki will be backed by a good majority on here.
I have nothing to gain from my comments or points scoring and no sides that I wish to keep. I would just like to see a balanced and forward thinking development to this discussion, not crossed arms and shut up shop etc.
With that reason and without a forward thinking approach to this, I won't be using this forum again and will move straight over to the uk forum.
I would like to see a pro-active approach to this without going into details about the complaint;
1. Develop or display in a better manner positive and negative feedback for purchases, like ebay, only for traders. Use of membership money or small percentage of trade sales could go towards developing this system.
2. Give Akki his trader status back - until he is proven guilty in a fair manner (already told this isn't going to happen because of complaints told in confidence - which is ok) Steer round it. Give Akki his status back, everyone deserves at least another chance if they have a faultless past?
3. Create a poll, let the people decide (an unbiased jury) whether his status is renewed. I think you will find that without proof, Akki will be backed by a good majority on here.
I have nothing to gain from my comments or points scoring and no sides that I wish to keep. I would just like to see a balanced and forward thinking development to this discussion, not crossed arms and shut up shop etc.
cameroon95
Member +
Member above's first point is valid and should be addressed in the feedback section, its definately worth the mods considering.
However the other two would descend the forum into choas, letting the public decide etc, forums need to have discipline or any old monkey will be running the joint.
However the other two would descend the forum into choas, letting the public decide etc, forums need to have discipline or any old monkey will be running the joint.
gv1.3
Admin
Hi lads,
just out of bed and had a scan through the updates in this thread. It really is just going around in circles now as people are asking for the guy to get an explanation and I nor none of the staff will be providing an explanation - for the reasons behind his trader position being removed.
Also after speaking to a couple of people they have told me that Akki suspects we removed his trader position for a recent petty reason. I can think of one recent issue where Akki advised he would sponser the project of the year and then after the winner had been announced we asked him for the prize and he said he wasnt giving one. If this is the petty reason he is telling people about my god - do you think we are going to revoke a traders position for not giving a prize to a competition?!?!
I am not going to spread such little rumours around the site but since a couple of members have mentioned it to me then I know it is being discussed already. And at the time we even said "lets not mention it publicly as there is no need"... but again if Akki wants these things public then fair enough he has them public.
Also comments like Elaine made regarding me being fully aware of the issues people have had with another trader we just took on. I am aware of an issue ELAINE had which she had no evidence to back up and which was handled as well as possible - given that the trader in question is awaiting the arrival of parts from Japan. This new trader has been taken on for a months trial and if they are not up to the job will promptly be gone.
I have seen power trip creep up in this thread with one post , which was deleted, saying "2 words - power trip". I am sorry guys but all decisions on here are made by all members it just so happens that one or two of us get to break the news.
Idress may respect SOME of the admins and believe me I wont be losing sleep over that but there are other forums he can go to if he doesnt like it here. This forum is far from controlled, in my opinion it is well run and that has been the reason why it has gone from strength to strength.
Also if we are being open and honest I find it amazing that as soon as this all starts Akki puts up a "To all muslims" thread. I have had claims of racism before from Akki on this site toward members and I cant help but think such a thread was started up to draw a member into a religious discussion so the racism card could be dealt. If the particular event was starting last night or today I would say it was genuine but why wish people a good time a week after it has begun... sorry that game will not work here Akki because rather than dodge religious, political or race issues for fear of being branded something.. I will say it as I see it and you have a habit of pulling colour and religion out of the bag when something is not going your way.
just out of bed and had a scan through the updates in this thread. It really is just going around in circles now as people are asking for the guy to get an explanation and I nor none of the staff will be providing an explanation - for the reasons behind his trader position being removed.
Also after speaking to a couple of people they have told me that Akki suspects we removed his trader position for a recent petty reason. I can think of one recent issue where Akki advised he would sponser the project of the year and then after the winner had been announced we asked him for the prize and he said he wasnt giving one. If this is the petty reason he is telling people about my god - do you think we are going to revoke a traders position for not giving a prize to a competition?!?!
I am not going to spread such little rumours around the site but since a couple of members have mentioned it to me then I know it is being discussed already. And at the time we even said "lets not mention it publicly as there is no need"... but again if Akki wants these things public then fair enough he has them public.
Also comments like Elaine made regarding me being fully aware of the issues people have had with another trader we just took on. I am aware of an issue ELAINE had which she had no evidence to back up and which was handled as well as possible - given that the trader in question is awaiting the arrival of parts from Japan. This new trader has been taken on for a months trial and if they are not up to the job will promptly be gone.
I have seen power trip creep up in this thread with one post , which was deleted, saying "2 words - power trip". I am sorry guys but all decisions on here are made by all members it just so happens that one or two of us get to break the news.
Idress may respect SOME of the admins and believe me I wont be losing sleep over that but there are other forums he can go to if he doesnt like it here. This forum is far from controlled, in my opinion it is well run and that has been the reason why it has gone from strength to strength.
Also if we are being open and honest I find it amazing that as soon as this all starts Akki puts up a "To all muslims" thread. I have had claims of racism before from Akki on this site toward members and I cant help but think such a thread was started up to draw a member into a religious discussion so the racism card could be dealt. If the particular event was starting last night or today I would say it was genuine but why wish people a good time a week after it has begun... sorry that game will not work here Akki because rather than dodge religious, political or race issues for fear of being branded something.. I will say it as I see it and you have a habit of pulling colour and religion out of the bag when something is not going your way.
Starlet_Sam
Moderator, Regional Area Reps Supervisor & Gay Car
Only the brand new traders from a few days ago I would consider to be inactive.
I'm fairly sure Hitler was backed by the majority of Germany. I'm afraid that jury of yours would be more uneducated (on the issue at hand, not in general before anyone takes offence) then unbiased. I have no idea on the reasons but because of that I couldn't give an unbiased decision in a poll and neither could you.
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muthaducka
Member +
If cars on the table without proof, I would have to back the mods because they out number Akki, many to 1.
I would also trust the mods to make a fair decision but I still think this needs to be moved forward otherwise the mods and site will be viewed in a much lower light by most.
I've made three good, forward moving suggestions and would just be happy to see this move forwards.
Anyone with something forward thinking to say other than getting caught in the nitty gritty? The truth isn't going to come out so how about making waves to allowing buyers to make an informed decision about traders in the future?
If I was on here as a new member ready to buy something from Akki or another trader, I would be none the wiser who to choose from, all with various rep points. There is no facility for negative feedback as far as I am aware.....
I would also trust the mods to make a fair decision but I still think this needs to be moved forward otherwise the mods and site will be viewed in a much lower light by most.
I've made three good, forward moving suggestions and would just be happy to see this move forwards.
Anyone with something forward thinking to say other than getting caught in the nitty gritty? The truth isn't going to come out so how about making waves to allowing buyers to make an informed decision about traders in the future?
If I was on here as a new member ready to buy something from Akki or another trader, I would be none the wiser who to choose from, all with various rep points. There is no facility for negative feedback as far as I am aware.....
www.glanza.co.uk
Super Mod (極度の調整器)
If ANY Trader doesn't live up to expectation, flouts the rules, cons people etc, then they will be gone, no matter who they are (including me). That's the whole point... Potential new traders are put to all the moderators for a decision, which is the same process used when it comes to renewal.
And keep it on track please, personal insults won't be tolerated on here.
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