4efe and 4efe JDM diffrences

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Darkie

Member
Ok guys so what do you need to turbo the 4e-fe?

For all i know it is better to buy a normal starlet and then
equip it with all the gizmo you want because you are not throwing the
factory things away and you can measure where you're at any time

the block is the same ..You would fit new forged pistons/rods anyway
if u were to go above 190 hp so why no go for everything from the beggining

the main concern i have is the boring process every GT i know is bought to
be driven hard so deformation exists in the cylinder bores and that's the nastiest
thing in an engine , especially a turbo engine like this one!

What are the main differences about them, do you connect
the turbo with the engine's oil hoses and that's it?
iIs there any difference in the oil pumps?

Do you have to custom make anything?
 
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Toby@ToyTuning.com

Banned - DO NOT BUY FROM TOYTUNING
No worries, did a conversion myself many years back to a Starlet SR and went through the same questions. 4efte's can be bought cheap these days, if you have a EP91 NA and you find a Glanza V engine then it's really easy as the ECU is plug and play, if you get a EP82 GT engine like we did then you need to splice the loom, not that hard just takes longer.

Hope this helps, if you need any pointers let us know.

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Darkie

Member
Ok then could you tell me after how many killometers does the engine wears out?

And could u tell me what spots i have to be careful as to not buy a worn starlet engine
<<im not a complete noob :p>>
Note that i'm referring to a starlet gt turbo
i cant find a glanza where i live that's authentic
 
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woop

Fresh Recruit
Jay said:
By the looks of it yes mate. :)

Remember these engines are largely ignored in comparison to the turbo models. I've plenty of info gathered on the Starlet range and the brochures revealed a lot of info

There's a lot of misinformation posted above. Shall I go get a torch?
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well could you just clear the misinformation up then by posting it? the internet and heresay aint all that reliable when trying to find out about a rare enough jdm car:(

Idrees said:
UK Spec 4EFE - 74bhp
JDM 4EFE - 100bhp
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sorry maybe my post was unclear my post about torque and power was in relation to the differences between the ep82 starlet gi 4efe and the glanza s?

@weejohn Ive read that before but thanks for posting it as I spotted something I didnt see before:rockon:

ted said:
however some people say the gi was the only one to have the 100hp engine as it was actually a homogolation special edition (so many had to be made to qualify for a specific type of japanese racing).
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Ive heard that about n1 homogolation racing before, much like the civic 1.6 and I believe it to be correct- how could somebody be so inventive to make it up? ha
 
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Dub-Se7en

Dub-Se7en

Lifer
Toby said:
if you have a EP91 NA and you find a Glanza V engine then it's really easy as the ECU is plug and play, if you get a EP82 GT engine like we did then you need to splice the loom, not that hard just takes longer.

Hope this helps, if you need any pointers let us know.

T
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glanza V ecu plug and play on an NA loom? can't be. an NA loom is of the 16/26 pin 2 plug type . so unless the 3rd 12pin connector on the V ecu doesn't need to be connected it won't be as straight forward as hooking it in.

unless you're talking about the jdm na/Glanza s of which i have no experience :)
 
Fishy89GT

Fishy89GT

Banned
that bloke is right about glanza S' they do only have 85 ish brake horese...the others as he stated has 99 or 100 hp depending on the model...

The main difference between the uk-spec and JDM (glanza S 4e), is....differnt injectors, fuel rail, ecu, coil pack ignition not a dizzy cap....also i think the whole fuel system is different, as everyone says that uou can use glanza s injectors in the uk car 4e's and that it will give you a small performance gain....i tried this and when i had it all apart the injectors are actually smaller in a glanza s than uk green ones, so it makes me think it also uses a different fuel pressure reg or something like that, so it runs @ a higher pressure hence the more fuel deliever....i listened to all the people who said it would work, even though they hadnt tried it and they were wrong....


about inlet manifold, the one off the corrola is the one you want, as most of the JDM 4e-fe have one's like the fte's....

to get 100 hp, you roughly need.....the corolla inlet, a decent filter with a good air feed, full system exhaust and decat...ive seen one with those mods on a RR with out the decat and it hit 99hp which aint to bad....
 
Ted

Ted

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Fishy89GT said:
that bloke is right about glanza S' they do only have 85 ish brake horese...the others as he stated has 99 or 100 hp depending on the model...

The main difference between the uk-spec and JDM (glanza S 4e), is....differnt injectors, fuel rail, ecu, coil pack ignition not a dizzy cap....also i think the whole fuel system is different, as everyone says that uou can use glanza s injectors in the uk car 4e's and that it will give you a small performance gain....i tried this and when i had it all apart the injectors are actually smaller in a glanza s than uk green ones, so it makes me think it also uses a different fuel pressure reg or something like that, so it runs @ a higher pressure hence the more fuel deliever....i listened to all the people who said it would work, even though they hadnt tried it and they were wrong....


about inlet manifold, the one off the corrola is the one you want, as most of the JDM 4e-fe have one's like the fte's....

to get 100 hp, you roughly need.....the corolla inlet, a decent filter with a good air feed, full system exhaust and decat...ive seen one with those mods on a RR with out the decat and it hit 99hp which aint to bad....
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if thats the case then how come 100bhp 4e s dont come with a corolla type inlet?
 
weeJohn

weeJohn

Lifer
Fishy89GT said:
about inlet manifold, the one off the corrola is the one you want, as most of the JDM 4e-fe have one's like the fte's....
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The JDM 4efe manifold inlet is a bigger diameter than the UK spec, its the same diameter as the 4efte. Thats where the power increase comes from.

I dont know the diameter of the Corolla mani, I asked Idress but he had no answer, do you know? I would doubt the power comes from the longer runners.

The JDM spec 4efe engine makes a lot more torque and bhp, and a higher rev limit, but it is all at the top of the rev range. Jay has a Toyota brochure that gives buyers info about this engine, it shows a power curve that has a dip in it around 3k or 4k revs!!
 
Jay

Jay

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Suppose that I should really start at the start huh?



A Brief Overview of the JDM Engine Choices

On first release (1989) the EP82 engine range stood as follows:

4E-F

1331cc
Max power : 82ps @ 6,400rpm
Max torque : 11.2 kg-m @ 3,600rpm

4E-FE

1331cc
Max power : 100ps @ 6,600rpm
Max torque : 11.8kg-m @ 5,200rpm

4E-FTE

1331cc
Max power : 135ps @ 6,400rpm
Max torque : 16.0kg-m @4,800rpm

1N

1453cc (*DIESEL*)
Max power : 55ps @ 5,200rpm
Max torque : 9.3kg-m @ 3,000rpm



When the EP82 range was facelifted in 1992 the lower-power 4E-F was dropped from the range and they retained the 100ps 4E-FE until EP82 production ended in 1995.


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With the release of the EP91 Glanza in 1996 the 4E-FE was revised and offered in the Glanza S model:

4E-FE

1331cc
Max power : 85ps @ 5,500rpm
Max torque : 12.0kg-m @ 4,400rpm

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Now, how about a little photoshoot with a 4E-FE?
 
Fishy89GT

Fishy89GT

Banned
weeJohn said:
The JDM 4efe manifold inlet is a bigger diameter than the UK spec, its the same diameter as the 4efte. Thats where the power increase comes from.

I dont know the diameter of the Corolla mani, I asked Idress but he had no answer, do you know? I would doubt the power comes from the longer runners.

The JDM spec 4efe engine makes a lot more torque and bhp, and a higher rev limit, but it is all at the top of the rev range. Jay has a Toyota brochure that gives buyers info about this engine, it shows a power curve that has a dip in it around 3k or 4k revs!!
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i know the jdm 4e inlet is like the turbo one lol....i dont know how the corolla one makes it better, it may to do with that its sort of ramming the air in more, as apposed to sucking it in.....someone i know put the fte inlet on a non-turbo and nothing else and it make it worse than standard, but the corollla one however didnt...strange lol
 
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woop

Fresh Recruit
photoshoot yes please, just out of interest how rare would you reckon the 4ef is over here?anybody ever seen one?

actually how regular are you in dublin jay?



Im going to be buying one of these engines and re-build and I mean massive rebuild will take place
with the thinking of a track car or rally car
1.3 with 100bhp maybe with the corola 6 speed I dont think that can be matched in a car that light, vtr wont have acceleration, only thing that could get at it, in its class would be a metro gti and well its a metro and there are none of them in roi

thanks for the help lads
 
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Johnny_C

Johnny_C

Lifer
well ive an odd one to add here,the 4efe that came out of my irish xli starlet had a 4efte crank in it.and i doubt sum1 had it fitted after it came from the factory.
 
Jay

Jay

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This is a JDM 4E-FE taken from an EP85. For some reason the 4x4 engines had 1331cc, 97ps@6,600rpm and 11.6kg-m @ 5,200rpm.

This is an external walkround only. I'll be using this engine in due course, it's got 40,000 kms on it fully documented. Fresh as a daisy given the surface conditions and was working fine before removal.

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Manifold is rather different. All the runners seem to have better flow compared to the 4EFTE and it's runner 3 restriction.

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A shot of the engine minus the manifold seems a little familar:

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Pink injectors, the nozzles look the same as the 4EFTE units but a different part number makes me doubt it:

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Comparison to the 4EFTE injector:

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Here's a shot of the distributor. It's a single unit rather than the seperated 4EFTE system.

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woop

Fresh Recruit
cheers! does the sticker on the timing cover have any identifiable code, etc.
just want the easiest way of discerning it from a non jdm,
pink injectors is good one

also jay you have pm
 
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