advantages of the 5e over the 4e?

[Dave@TM-developments.com]

@ dave---"not built by us" he declares early...
yeah i have seen some on here that are not making tremendous power figures....but then everyone builds differently to suit their purposes.....so that kind of makes it hard to compare......i also know of quite a few 5e which are making 300whp and in excess

the most hp ep82 was a 5e engine......what was it......430/460ps or something like that......big numbers,,,,but would i want to drive it everyday given my driving style....no

and yes dave...your 4e makes 320 (is that whp or bhp??)...but if u put that same exact set -up on a 5e.....do u think it would make less/same/or more power??

and i know u all guys love you NOS....lol-----over here we call it "drugs"...

Don't know who built them and advised them but they were expecting more. Ours was built specifically to stay a 1.3 shopping trolley

 

[Starlet_Sam]

Goldenvtrs isn't up to standard yet, he's let down by a few niggles and maxed injectors.

 

[Dave@TM-developments.com]

I think people are beginning to realise its not just about throwing expensive parts on a car

 

[gorganl2000]

Goldenvtrs isn't up to standard yet, he's let down by a few niggles and maxed injectors.

actually...for what goldenvtr has built and spent in parts....his car is very much doing pretty well ........given his constraints---------let's remember he is on tdo4l with 315cc injectors and a SAFC for tuning

i would say his build is a relatively "simple" build in the scheme of things

 

[gorganl2000]

I think people are beginning to realise its not just about throwing expensive parts on a car

that's it right there dave....that's what they need to realise and are realising......all the parts in the world wil not make u have a "purpose fully" built car UNLESS u have the right mix/combination and right tune to make it happen......and maybe one or two other little things

 

[Starlet_Sam]

actually...for what goldenvtr has built and spent in parts....his car is very much doing pretty well ........given his constraints---------let's remember he is on tdo4l with 315cc injectors and a SAFC for tuning

i would say his build is a relatively "simple" build in the scheme of things

Thats what I meant, he's held back by these things. It's got more potential in there.

 

[Gee]

Nobody on here is using a 5E up to their full potential yet, so no point comparing results to the 4E unless same spec (where applicable) including turbo and boost.

Most users here are years behind what the Aus/caribbean have been doing with 5E's IMO..

But what is full potential? It's only to what your application is!

5E+TD04L@1.4BAR.

This is the turbo's potential, but is the engine good for more? Sure it is.

Get some 4E's and 5E's on track with same sort of spec, same turbo and boost and take it from there

But then everything else comes into it...tyres, setup, suspension, driver!

If potential means simply maximum HP..then sure. The 5E should make more power.

 

[gorganl2000]

i like your analysis gee....keeping it real

seems u have grown "young grasshopper" as they say in those kung-fu/martial arts pictures....lol

and i soon expect those like toby, dave, etc to raise the bar with their 5e build....as i know everything that happens is not always revealed immediately...lol

 

[GTti]

There is no replacement for displacement as the old saying goes

T

That must of originated from America...


/looks at engine size


My input is along the lines of Dave's. If you want results, start with an ECU that's capable of yielding the best performance. So it goes without saying that most are not extracting the best from the 4EFTE before upgrading to a larger capacity.

This car is all about the replacement of displacement, I'd hope most like to keep it that way (Otherwise the excuses run out ).

 

[AzE_B]

i have a 5e with a hybrid td05 and it didnt make that good results but hopefuly it mite be down to the cam timing being on the 5e marks

i dont think that the 5e will make any more power that a 4e just you get less lag and abit more touque

 

[gorganl2000]

i have a 5e with a hybrid td05 and it didnt make that good results but hopefuly it mite be down to the cam timing being on the 5e marks

i dont think that the 5e will make any more power that a 4e just you get less lag and abit more touque

what ecu are u using to run it and which harness?

and if two identical set ups are used...then theory says the 5e will make more power solely due to its displacement over the 4e

 

[AzE_B]

im using a unichip

my old 4e engine was 270bhp @1.3bar that turbo its now on gaz_turbos 5e so as soon as its mapped ill posted up both graphs and we can see the diffrence between the 4e and 5e

 

[gorganl2000]

im using a unichip

my old 4e engine was 270bhp @1.3bar that turbo its now on gaz_turbos 5e so as soon as its mapped ill posted up both graphs and we can see the diffrence between the 4e and 5e

so u have a 4efte harness running the 5e....and is unichip a piggyback to the oem 4EFTE ecu?? ...correct me if i'm worng

 

[AzE_B]

yep

i will be going standalone near the end of the year

 

[Toby@ToyTuning.com]

Yeah the unichip isn't great for you Aaron needs stand alone really. Cam timing is a pain with these if only we could use adjustable pulleys

T

 

[gorganl2000]

yep

i will be going standalone near the end of the year

then i can tell u that your cam timing is incorrectly set......use the 4e mark

some people have used the 5e cam timing while using the oem 4efte ecu, 4efte harness, etc.........and the engine did not seem to work to its potential

when set to the 4e cam timing, things went much better ....dont forget, the oem ecu is mapped for a 4efte-----not a 5e

u can use the unichip to THEN adjust ignition/fuel accordingly.......this is how its done with piggybacks and 4efte ecu ........try this and u should have a "different" car...........till u get your full standalone

 

[Toby@ToyTuning.com]

Also Gorgan is right, okay theory and practice are different things but with the identical setup and car the 5e would always produce more power and torque than the 4e. Larger displacement simply means you can squeeze more air in there, more air = more oxygen which in turn = more power! Obviously you need to be able to exhaust the gases but on paper it's black and white
T

 

[gorganl2000]

alternatively...if u had a paseo/tercel/sera which came with a 5e ecu and harness, then u would want to use the "5e" cam timing marks and do your adjustments through the piggyback

 

[AzE_B]

Yeah the unichip isn't great for you Aaron needs stand alone really. Cam timing is a pain with these if only we could use adjustable pulleys

T

yer you cant get the timing spot on becoz of the HG thickness the plan is to get cams, inlet manifold and my head ported and polished

 

[gorganl2000]

yer you cant get the timing spot on becoz of the HG thickness the plan is to get cams, inlet manifold and my head ported and polished

in the mean time...i beg u to try the "4E" cam timing marks and a retune.........and then tell me how it feels