ahhh i think i wasted my money

[Kelly]

well tbh i wouldnt say that the power fc is better, as the ultimate has much more features, only advantage of the pfc is that it comes with a plug n play harness.. other than that it has to be mapped from scratch, the ultimate uses the stock ecu as a basemap.. thus saving alot of time..

also since the pfc is discontinued its being sold for silly money.. so thats a little bit of a downfall.. not to mention the software which is obsolete as far as other standalones go.. still a very popular unit...

sorry kon but the power fc from what i read come with base maps too!
and yeh they been discountinued but they good piece of kit and most garages wanna work with the power fc. the software is not obsolete i was searching last night and found it available in many many places.

and were on about emanage blue not ultimate.

 

[sx_turbo]

@kon i meant the power fc is better than the blue.


also is the ultimate that much better than than the blue? does it warrant the extra dollar?

 

[ryanjfo]

will i notice the big differnce after the emanage blue is installed and tuned to? like is it much differnce to when i changed the turbo to the td04 or injectors and rrfpr

 

[dac69er]

when i get my arse in gear im going to buy the software myself. its about £100 with the usb adapter i believe.

as for the base map. it comes with one installed so you can use the car without having it mapped, you just have to drive it carefully obviously as its just a base map and nothing else.

 

[Kelly]

when i get my arse in gear im going to buy the software myself. its about £100 with the usb adapter i believe.

as for the base map. it comes with one installed so you can use the car without having it mapped, you just have to drive it carefully obviously as its just a base map and nothing else.

duncan your on about power fc aint ya~?

 

[ryanjfo]

doesnt the software and usb come with the emanage..oh ok so its all safe...can you only tune it with the software and cable

 

[HYBRID]

sorry kon but the power fc from what i read come with base maps too!
and yeh they been discountinued but they good piece of kit and most garages wanna work with the power fc. the software is not obsolete i was searching last night and found it available in many many places.

and were on about emanage blue not ultimate.

yeah i agree, the pfc is waaaay better than the blue, what i meant by the software is that its really old software, as in if u look at the EMS or link etc, u can use trace graphs & literally modify a whole line of tuning with the movement of a line.. not that there is anything wrong with the pfc's software, its just not to user friendly..

for ex, if the pfc had the ability to have afr's inputted instead of doin the pulse, duration, lag time, duty cycle conversion urself it would save alot of tuning time & make tuning simpler

 

[dac69er]

duncan your on about power fc aint ya~?

yeah, sorry kelly. didnt make myself clear. one of my mates has the software. i also downloaded the trial version to have a look at it and it looks pretty comprehensive considering its not the original apexi software.

 

[Toymota]

so you think its ok to run the td04 rrfpr wat u said without the emanage for a while because i wont be able to run it straight away will it be safe to drive without the emanage in it

i am running a TD04 without any ECU upgrades at the moment. I have an Emanage waiting to be fitted. I have to boost set to 0.8 to be on the safeside and had the car set up as best possible.

 

[HYBRID]

@kon i meant the power fc is better than the blue.


also is the ultimate that much better than than the blue? does it warrant the extra dollar?

bloody right man!! its worth (as greddy quoted) 10 times better!

the features it has give enough space to make it the Ultimate piggyback, the only feature u have to force out of it is the mimic of anti-lag, as its not a feature, but can be done by retarding the timing in the launch control setup..

apart from that it has almost every single feature ur average standalone has... now dont compare it to motec lol.. but still it has a bundle of fantastic features!!

kon

 

[Kelly]

yeah i agree, the pfc is waaaay better than the blue, what i meant by the software is that its really old software, as in if u look at the EMS or link etc, u can use trace graphs & literally modify a whole line of tuning with the movement of a line.. not that there is anything wrong with the pfc's software, its just not to user friendly..

for ex, if the pfc had the ability to have afr's inputted instead of doin the pulse, duration, lag time, duty cycle conversion urself it would save alot of tuning time & make tuning simpler

this power fc also has finer points of tuning more than emanage blue. I forgot the exact points but i recall nick comparing them and saying there were more points throughtout the rev range to tune the power fc than the emanage blue.

 

[ryanjfo]

i am running a TD04 without any ECU upgrades at the moment. I have an Emanage waiting to be fitted. I have to boost set to 0.8 to be on the safeside and had the car set up as best possible.

Oh ok but do you think itll make much of a differnce when you put the emanage on like waht gains are u expecting

 

[ryanjfo]

this power fc also has finer points of tuning more than emanage blue. I forgot the exact points but i recall nick comparing them and saying there were more points throughtout the rev range to tune the power fc than the emanage blue.

so you think the emanage blue is a bit of a waste..i mean will it still give me the same results as the newer emanage

 

[Kelly]

ryanjfo -- it should make alot of differnce to run mods like that with no management i believe you have to run very rich. (somebody correct me if wrong) like said its not best way to run the car. and running rich means losing power slightly.

 

[ryanjfo]

ryanjfo -- it should make alot of differnce to run mods like that with no management i believe you have to run very rich. (somebody correct me if wrong) like said its not best way to run the car. and running rich means losing power slightly.

ok then so you mean when ur fuelling leans out a more you gain more power?

 

[Toymota]

its not really the power gains that i am after with the emanage, its the ability to run the car safely on the mods i have. however, i am not looking at getting a forged engine rebuild so i may look at a standalone unit

 

[Toymota]

ryanjfo -- it should make alot of differnce to run mods like that with no management i believe you have to run very rich. (somebody correct me if wrong) like said its not best way to run the car. and running rich means losing power slightly.

mine does run rich kel so i think your right

 

[sx_turbo]

people stop banging on about the power fc you cant buy it now, and you cant buy the commanders anymore.

the only way of buying one is second hand and will set you back roughly £700 with the commander.

im not saying its a bad unit but you cant keep saying how much better it is as you cant buy it anymore. if you see it up for sale second hand then it worth thinking about

 

[ryanjfo]

mine does run rich kel so i think your right

how much power are you losing exactly with it runningg rich?

 

[Toymota]

how much power are you losing exactly with it runningg rich?

i dont know. my tuner didnt tell me. i am runnin 190bhp @ 0.8 bar which is good. the setup is not too bad considering it cant be finely tuned.