coilovers vs koni's

Toby@ToyTuning.com

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Very valid points above, we find the Koni and WL setup great for the road and more than suitable for track days, good match between them. The Tein springs are well matched as well, RS*R down springs not good and Ventura/Gmax not good either, these are all I have tried and my opinion but one thing I am hot on is suspension/chassis setup.

The Eibach used to be very good but they only supply an EP91 NA spring these days which is heavier than an 82 meaning the rates are not quite right, the old ones were spot on but they have stopped selling them.

@ Dunc - Yeah we can get D2 springs if you need do you know what rates you want mate?
 

Toby@ToyTuning.com

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You certainly could, see how you find the springs first on your roads then make the decision. They are the old Type Flex that we run on the demo car, they were 1K when new so anything under 50% and your laughing as long as they are in good nick with little mileage, most sets will be like this as they can't cover the mileage like we do..

T
 

sx_turbo

Lifer
yeah try them, and toby's your man if you want them brought over here ;)

i bought my buddy clubs from there thanks to toby :) i think the auction ended at like £250-300 but after shipping (very expensive) and toby's small fee (very entitled to) then wait 4-6weeks for delivery, i think they cost me £400-450 in the end, then when they finally got to the uk, customs charged me another £70 lol

but f**k me were they worth it.
 

Toby@ToyTuning.com

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Yeah that's one pain about Yahoo, they are bloody expensive new and can take time but if you want rare items it's the only way as some of these UK retails are pure madness in my eyes when you consider the JDM cost.

Those BC's are sexy though :p
 

sx_turbo

Lifer
Yeah that's one pain about Yahoo, they are bloody expensive new and can take time but if you want rare items it's the only way as some of these UK retails are pure madness in my eyes when you consider the JDM cost.

Those BC's are sexy though :p

oh toby no i wasnt complaining about the cost at all far from it, my point is that the buyer needs to consider the other costs aswell.


the totalprice i got mine for were far cheaper than if i bought new, and they were only 6months old, and covered 6000 km. which imo is very good.

the same with those teins, if he can get them over here for less than 600 notes its worth doing

also toby i know ur very busy, but really need an email, i need to get cracking with my car, i gotta get it tuned and mapped by mid may ;) cheers dude
 
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Toby@ToyTuning.com

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Yeah exactly that, we managed to get our Tein Flex for just under £500.00 (lucky bid as it was 4 in the morning when it closed), they looked new in the picture but when they came they actually had never been used really odd, nice saving there then!

Once the site is up we will have a container coming from Japan with losts of juicy s/hand items :)

T
 

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well i recently changed my tein hr's with 6k & 5k respectively for a set of TRD N1 coilovers with 14k spings front & 10k rear..

well what can i say its far more comfy than with the teins.. u must be saying im mad right.. but think about this the teins had the helper springs on which keeps the springs stiff constantly & the trd's have rock solid springs on.. yes its bouncy but on good tarmac the thing wont bloody budge..

if u want handleing go for coilovers, if u want a soft ride with better than stock handling get soft coilovers like toby said..

iv had coilovers for more than 4 years now.. they may be uncomfortable, but id rather have a car that can handle the power than a boat which cant put the power to the ground ;)

kon
 

asifatyard21

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this post is making it harder to decide coilovers or uprated shocks. seems to be personal preference wether to go for coilovers or uprated springs and shocks. wat coilovers do people suggest and any one who has tried both coilovers and koni shocks who can give first hand experience wat difference in handling it makes for road use??
 

sx_turbo

Lifer
also from personal experiance, i would go for buddy club junior specs.

they have a nicer ride than d2's, and the tein ha's i had were to slolid for uk roads.
although the teins prob just had to stiff a spring.

the monza shocks and springs i had on my new car were to bouncy and seemed just as stiff as coilovers, and my buddy clubs seem just as stiff yet a better qaulity in ride.

you really need to go out in different setups and decide which is best for you
 

Adam_Glanza

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the problem is if you cant have a ride in someones car its a very expensive / hard decision to make!

i think aslong as you have someone in the know helping you out aka toby etc then it should be fine. problem with 2nd hand coilovers you dont no how hard they will be etc.
 

Toby@ToyTuning.com

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Asif it's not as simple as what is better for road use there are so many variables to discuss it's untrue, if you want to slam your car then get some D2's, there okay for the money but far better out there. If you want something you can install from day one without setup and be confident they are good for the road and the occasional track day then get Koni, they don't boat at all very stiff just more forgiving with the rebounds. If you have £1000.00 to spend then get some high quality coilovers, customise the spring rates to your setup and get them setup, let's face it if you have a grand to spend on coilovers another £150.00 to set them out isn't going to make much difference.

I've tried D2, K-Sport, Tein Flex, Super Streets, Buddy Club JR, Cusco Zero1's, Ohlins fixed rate with Ohlins springs, Koni with WL, Koni with Tein, Koni with RS*R, Koni with Ventura, JIC Pro specs, Tanabe S something and god knows what else really have been through a lot.

Coilovers have a stigma with them, I always here there too hard but everyone forgets coilovers are the same as shocks and springs they are just complete units, nothing more nothing less they are the same which ever way you look it, coilovers are still shocks and springs. It's the fact that most coilovers come with unsuitable springs that make them shit for the road nothing else, most people will just buy them and slap them on without knowing anything about the rates which is why they have a stigma.

You get what you pay for at the end of the day, Koni may be near the price of D2's but it doesn't matter, Koni designed the Ford GT40's suspension they have been around for 50 years, D2 are just a random Asian company that just used an old design and copied them they don't have years of research behind them, despite this for the money there not bad but yes there are far better out there. Look at the Ohlins Type C setup for the Starlet, these are separated units i.e. not coilovers and they cost £1500.00 which is more than the most expensive set of Starlet coilovers.

Coilovers are shocks and springs, imo for UK roads anything over 5kg and you'll be flying over bumps rather than driving. You can customise the rates on shocks and springs just like you can with coilovers, one advantage with coilovers is most come with pillow ball top mounts but some of the designs I have seen are pretty poor. If you are prepared to be patient, work out what rates you need, get them setup properly including corner weights, camber, castor, toe in/out then yes you can get a great setup with coilovers. If you are unsure on what you need, can't be bothered with setting them up and want something you know will work well and won't need a lot of attention then a shock and spring combo like Koni/Ohlins will be very good.

You can't ever perfect a coilover setup on the road, there are too many variables with road condition you would need to have a pit crew follow you every time you found a slightly different road, units like Koni and Ohlins have been designed with roads in mind hence they are more controllable, yes they won't be quite as quick as a coilover setup perfected for the track on a smooth smooth well prepared track surface but whoo drives there Starlet on the track only?

The choice is yours...

T
 

Toby@ToyTuning.com

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Don't forget Rick you could get some Buddy Clubs JR's with 12kg springs which wouldn't work on the road at all, see my point, yours are great as there 6kg and what you need but they could come with another spring rate, depends what you choose and what you know :)

T
 

Adam_Glanza

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very good info as usual toby, you always manage to put everything into words better than most :) i guess its just a greater understanding!!

i defo think thats wats wrong with my coily's neway.

i mean like i said on the straights etc there fine and smooth newly laid road its lovely but yeah just on the uneven potholey corners they dont take the bumps they just shit themselves and skip lol :(

is there anyway to tell wat spring rate you have on your coilover without somehow pressurising them?
 

Toby@ToyTuning.com

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Yeah I never try and be biased there are so many variables which makes explanations lengthy, plus this comes up most weeks so I'm well trained! Ad have a look on the springs but most of the time it's hard to tell, from what you have explained they are too tuff all we need to do is get you some more suitable rates and fine tune them a little.

Once the site is up Andy and I will come and say hello and see what we think :)

T
 

Adam_Glanza

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yeah thats cool, i mean you are so close to me in dorking at the moment,

i could even pop over 1 day in the week and let you drive it see wat you think etc?

is it the same principle to fitting normal springs to shocks, to fit new coilover springs?

or is it a bit different.

it would make the car feel 10x better and give it alot more confidence on the bendies.

also would you be able to setup the coilovers or would i need to take it somewhere local?

sorry for the 21 questions lol
 
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