stand alone ECU, what one are you running?

sx_turbo

Lifer
Life racing should release their "budget" ecu early next year which will use the same processor as the high end ecu. If it lives up to the hype it will be unbeatable for the price :)

just so haapens that paul (think that was his name) works for AER and uses and maps these ecu's??

he is obviously good cos of the job he's got but but problem is he dont give 2 shits about customers car's and didnt just do a "that'll do job" and run it mega rich with as little ignition advance as possible.
 
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churcherj

Member +
i think most standalones with work with a little modification to the looms and wiring etc, some are more hassle than its worth making custom looms etc when some are a straight fit with the correct sensors that have been tried and tested. at the end of the day it comes down to budget and what your plans are for the car, the chances being that most standalone will be more than adequate to run the "majority" of setups easily. as said the apexi pfc is a no thrills standalone but can easily handle most things we ask of it....
 

Starlet_Sam

Moderator, Regional Area Reps Supervisor & Gay Car
sorry sam but i have to disagree with you on this one.


a good example is what happened to you with your megasquirt, and i dont the same thing with my pfc (i even took it to abbey motorsport in the end, who didnt really do that good a job)

And what happened with my Megasquirt, last time I checked it was running my car and there are plenty of people who can map it. I made the mistake of taking it somewhere local who said they could map it, and it's safe to drive just awful to drive. The ECU is more than capable for what I want it to do, I shall be mapping it myself now though.

An ECU can be make or break for a car, you can spend 100k on your engine but with a shit ECU it'll be crap. Why start getting lazy with it?

To me it's like going to Ireland on holiday instead of where you really want to go because your chosen airline doesn't fly there.
 

Starlet_Sam

Moderator, Regional Area Reps Supervisor & Gay Car
Why is it? There has been quite a few guys on here buy an ECU only to sell it on when they cannot find anyone in the local area to map it some poeple are happy to travel to get mapping done some are not...
If you have not got acess to transport getting a car half way across the country to a good mapper could be the difference between buying a more expensive ecu and getting it tuned locally and a cheap one then having to pay the extra getting a car to the tuner.

I'd rather pay the extra than have an inferior ECU. If my local tuner was in charge of what I put on my car he's be sticking carbs on it and tuning with a screwdriver.

If the closest one does an ECU that does everything you need it to then great, if not then why would you buy it?
 

spuddy

Ulster Area Rep.
I use a Haltech PS1000, buckets of features, on my own car I'm using full automatic nitrous control, rear wheel speed sensors, Launch control, Anti lag, rotational idle and coil packs. Will shortly be using the flat shift/ignition cut fuction. There are any amount of other features available.
 

sx_turbo

Lifer
And what happened with my Megasquirt, last time I checked it was running my car and there are plenty of people who can map it. I made the mistake of taking it somewhere local who said they could map it, and it's safe to drive just awful to drive. The ECU is more than capable for what I want it to do, I shall be mapping it myself now though.

An ECU can be make or break for a car, you can spend 100k on your engine but with a shit ECU it'll be crap. Why start getting lazy with it?

To me it's like going to Ireland on holiday instead of where you really want to go because your chosen airline doesn't fly there.

yeah you went to a local tuner who said they could map it and then done a proper shit job.

i done the same.

then the 2nd time they werent local and still done a shit job.

1st rule of tuning is to find a tuner you can trust.

tell him what you want from the ecu, and they should make it happen, any standalone ecu can be made to work on any engine the tuner just needs to know what there doing.

if you want something cheap and quite feature rich out of the box then emerald ecu is a great option.

megasquirt is also good but lack of tuning points compared to other standalone ecu's might not be for everyone.
 

Chris@CCM

Member +
ms3 is out and all dude its 16x16 in all maps lots of new ecus coming out in 2011 should be cool
link g4 r shit hot along with haltech i like apexi to tho there a bit limted
 

Starlet_Sam

Moderator, Regional Area Reps Supervisor & Gay Car
yeah you went to a local tuner who said they could map it and then done a proper shit job.

i done the same.

then the 2nd time they werent local and still done a shit job.

1st rule of tuning is to find a tuner you can trust.

tell him what you want from the ecu, and they should make it happen, any standalone ecu can be made to work on any engine the tuner just needs to know what there doing.

if you want something cheap and quite feature rich out of the box then emerald ecu is a great option.

megasquirt is also good but lack of tuning points compared to other standalone ecu's might not be for everyone.

You've just proved my point then, I chose the wrong tuner not the wrong ECU. If I drive 50 miles there is a Megasquirt specialist but, as I have said, WGT are well respected so I had no reason to doubt them when they said they could map it.

Also, the number of tuning points is overrated, the Megasquirts interpolate between them so they make their calculations based on the cells around the current kpa/rpm range and not just a single cell. In fact I'd give my opinion to say it's superior as it's quicker to tune but still gives as smooth a drive.
 

sam_glanz

Member +
Alot of mixed views, Apexi has good ratings but everyone has said its limited! i liking the sound of this G4 unit? has anybody got anymore info on this ecu?

And tuners arnt to much trouble, i have lee @ devil developments about 10miles away, whos an omex dealer and quite a few others, 10miles the other way iv got gary @ GPR (gt art) whos HKS mapper, along with re-workz in portmouth, or mark sheady @ ma developments all trusted mappers with experiance with all of them
 

Chris@CCM

Member +
dont know y any one would spend so much on a ecu that only hks dealers can map seams silly to me .


sam_glanz look up link g4 storm there a gr8 ecu loads of stuff on them any im sure any tuner could map it my pal has one on his yaris t sport turbo and it drivers really nice hads lc als etc
 

sx_turbo

Lifer
You've just proved my point then, I chose the wrong tuner not the wrong ECU. If I drive 50 miles there is a Megasquirt specialist but, as I have said, WGT are well respected so I had no reason to doubt them when they said they could map it.

Also, the number of tuning points is overrated, the Megasquirts interpolate between them so they make their calculations based on the cells around the current kpa/rpm range and not just a single cell. In fact I'd give my opinion to say it's superior as it's quicker to tune but still gives as smooth a drive.

my point is how many times are you willing to shell out £350 every time it gets tuned, (thats how much it costs me) before it's right, whereas you use the ecu that the tuner you trust knows inside out and will do a great job with all should be fine and dandy.

and besides, most ecu's that most decent tuners use are all far superior to whats offered on this site, theres loads to choose from, that are all feature rich, and are much better well known systems like

omex
emerald
link
dta
motec
bosch
hks

the list goes on

i think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one sam.

as for tuning pints, it doest really matter with basic upgrades etc,

but the likes of motec hks omex etc, wouldnt bother investing in technology that will do 32x32 if it wasnt really worth it would they,

the idea of the extra tuning points is to reduce the ammount of guess work the computer does.
 

sx_turbo

Lifer
Alot of mixed views, Apexi has good ratings but everyone has said its limited! i liking the sound of this G4 unit? has anybody got anymore info on this ecu?

And tuners arnt to much trouble, i have lee @ devil developments about 10miles away, whos an omex dealer and quite a few others, 10miles the other way iv got gary @ GPR (gt art) whos HKS mapper, along with re-workz in portmouth, or mark sheady @ ma developments all trusted mappers with experiance with all of them

your very lucky then lol,

apexi does exactly what it needs to, no fancy gimmicks etc, theres not to many people out there who is fussed about launch control, nos controll etc

i'm not saying its the best ecu as there is plenty better out there, just saying to not entirely discount it
 

Starlet_Sam

Moderator, Regional Area Reps Supervisor & Gay Car
my point is how many times are you willing to shell out £350 every time it gets tuned, (thats how much it costs me) before it's right, whereas you use the ecu that the tuner you trust knows inside out and will do a great job with all should be fine and dandy.

and besides, most ecu's that most decent tuners use are all far superior to whats offered on this site, theres loads to choose from, that are all feature rich, and are much better well known systems like

omex
emerald
link
dta
motec
bosch
hks

the list goes on

i think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one sam.

as for tuning pints, it doest really matter with basic upgrades etc,

but the likes of motec hks omex etc, wouldnt bother investing in technology that will do 32x32 if it wasnt really worth it would they,

the idea of the extra tuning points is to reduce the ammount of guess work the computer does.

I think we will, but I think you're missing my point slightly. If you read what I've said you'llsee I've clearly said that if your chosen tuner does an ECU that does everything you want then that is great, but if not you need a new tuner. Otherwise you'll only be disappointed. Plus my experience with tuning my ECU is irrelevant seeing as I've only had it done once and you can't tell if you trust a tuner without trying them. Google WGT Auto Developments and read about their reputation in Mazda circles, you'll see why I chose them.

32x32 is all good if your ECU only looks at the cell it's on, otherwise it's not needed. Interpolation isn't 'guesswork', it's actually damn accurate and provides a lovely smooth drive, as smooth as my Dads Motec powered MX5. As for the technology that goes into it, I'm not buying it. Very little technology goes into 32x32, and the vast majority of ECU's still use serial ports to tune them. You try finding a modern laptop with a serial port, you'll only find them on expensive service laptops. Also I'm more interested in closed loop capabilties than 32x32, as it's much better for getting spot on running. The numbers your tuner put in may not be right in all conditions and that's where some ECU's will trim or add fuel based on what what their sensors are telling them, even if the tuner told them something else, obviously you give it an authority level so you still control how much it can change things. I suppose what you really need to remember is that the end user is still the driver, not the tuner, and so it's them that the ECU manufacturers are selling to, and 32x32 sounds a lot better if you don't fully understand what you're on about.

As for a tuner I trust, it's me. I'll be tuning my Megasquirt from now on. Done shit loads of research and I can safely say tuners are next to muggers!
 

dac69er

Super Moderator
I can safely say tuners are next to muggers!

qoute of the day i think. so many jobs are so half arsed its not even funny. the amount they charge for doing what they do is pretty criminal sometimes.
i payed for my power fc to be mapped and it wasnt a great job.

doing it myself now. im not exactly quick at doing it and i dont claim to know eveything about mapping and tuning a car, but may as well have a go ;)
 

steveatyork

Member +
i use adaptronic,but purely for the fact that i was useing it on my efi converted c1j and i know the mapper well(wouldnt trust anyone else) also for the money you would be hard pushed to get a better standalone ecu.if anyone buys ppc magazine there is a good article in there compareing budget ecu,s £600-£700
 

lanxter

Member +
DTA S60 - ECU is an amazing bit of kit, had some problems with the crank position sensor to start off with but now its amazing.
 

pc18

North West England Area Rep.
DTA S60 - ECU is an amazing bit of kit, had some problems with the crank position sensor to start off with but now its amazing.

im planning on getting a dta s60 on mine in the next few months did you fit yours your self? what features have you got setup on it? flat shift, launch control, traction control ect. pm me if you like.
 
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