The Blitz K24 vs TD04 difference... coming soon ;)

[GTti]

I would just get a close ratio box for your current setup. Who cares about anything over 110mph.

 

[Kelly]

I agree, I think the K24 will be much more suitible for the track/sprint with its midrange grunt, it's also still sufficient higher up. The enjoyment is the surge of torque pulling you out of the corners, this will be less noticeable with the power shifted up the range using a TD04. This will change your driving style completely and take away the fun from the car you've built. And if you want to shift the power up the range then the 4EFTE is the wrong engine to start with!

I think you're making the wrong decision about your car, and for your use 200bhp and very good torque with the K24 will be better than a TD04 at any power for sprint use.




A more agressive cam will make this more noticeable, as would a larger throttle body.

thankyou some sense
1.4bar on a big turbo isnt going to be much help on a track/sprint in my opinion. Gee im not biast my car has a ct9 bens has a k24 and one of my best mate has a td04 so i can talk a lil from experience.

Aga has seen the graph for the k24 and even stated how well it would perform for the track.

anyway more mods than engine is needed for such things.

 

[Nick@TD.co.uk]

I wish my car could match ben's round a track, theres some special about that thing, and as i said im not a 1/4 mile fan and i will never understand the point of it in a fwd car, near stock 4wd car's will out run modded GT's on the 1/4 so thats just my opinion, on track is a different story.

Anyways we have had hundreds of these topics and everyone always agree's both have pro's and con's, depends what you want, if you just want all out power and endless wheelspin then td04 forged is fine, you get to a point and its just useless power on a fwd car, imo that power is about 220-230bhp, anymore and its just pointless and silly IMO.

~Nick

 

[hardcoreep]

There are 14 different trims of the td04 in wheels alone. Housings are another thing.

I wish my car could match ben's round a track, theres some special about that thing, and as i said im not a 1/4 mile fan and i will never understand the point of it in a fwd car, near stock 4wd car's will out run modded GT's on the 1/4 so thats just my opinion, on track is a different story.

Must be a pretty poor GT. They are feared here. I couldn't get a Evolution IV to race me if I paid. The fastest GTR locally is just milli-seconds off the fastest EP here. Both are 11 seconds cars.

 

[HYBRID]

Well today my TD04H arrived and hopefully next week will be putting it on the car so finally will be able to compare these turbos properly power wise, lag, exactly. Mainly I got it to test it out as I was curious to see if the TD04 is better even round corners and not just in straight line speed. Drag wise I think the TD04H will be better but for sprint use I'm still not sure.

Will keep you guys posted as soon as I put this on my car and give you the first impressions compared to the Blitz K24

Also the TD05 arrived but its for another car I'm doin up. Will keep you posted about that aswell

Regards,

Daniel J. Vella

1st of all good luck on ur new turbo,

now, the important part, ur threads are being reported for posting the url to ur website where u have things for sale, now traders are getting pissed at that so im kindly asking u not to post up ur url anymore... for now iv deleted the link, next time ull get warned & ur post locked..

u know the rules dan, if ur interested in trading pls contact the admin team.

thanks
kon

 

[steveep82]

I dont see how people can say that a td04 will be worse on a track than a k24/hybrid/ct9 as I dont know about you guys but when im driving in a 'spirited' manner im always above 3500rpm where my car is on boost!

 

[Gee]

I know Steve...

For sprint thou where they are not really going to crazy top speeds, stoping, starting alot, accelarating out of corners, the K24 may have the edge due to its midrange torque and power.

BTW, nobody knows for sure how the K24 would match a fully efficent TD04L on the track. Tracks are not small! Plenty of lengh to keep a TD04L on full boost!

And the Malta boys are ALWAYS on the QTR so why would a TD04 be a bad choice? Maybe he could switch back to K24 for sprints.

 

[Kelly]

Gee why you sayin that? damage is picking td04 for the drag coz he thinks it will be better choice! in which we have all agreed with.

damage what is the most boost you ran on k24?

also i agree with Nick there comes a point where your power is completly un useable its findin that point.

and yeh gee your right nobody knows for sure thats why just said was my opinion i think a quicker spooling turbo will be better for a track, i even stated i could be wrong. only one way find out guys..................................lets all do a track day

 

[GTti]

you get to a point and its just useless power on a fwd car, imo that power is about 220-230bhp, anymore and its just pointless

I agree but more 200 to 220bhp. A prime example is the fact that Goldenvtr's car will run a quicker 1/4 mile than most cars on this forum of any power.

Once you are on the limits of FWD traction, nothing else matters. For sprint all Damage needed was a close ratio box to make it complete.

All this banging on about the foreign starlets, most of them haven't got real cars in the country, they just have turbocharged sheds (That includes all the jap cars). So sure they're going to be 'feared' with nothing to race against!

I can do a 12/13 sec 1/4 in a Lotus Exige 1.8 N/A and look good and pull the ladies while I'm at it for the same price

 

[gorganl2000]

gtti....i can tell u already.....u are gonna get a little reality check from some caribbean and maybe maltese members for that above comment....lolololol

anyway....over here (caribbean),,,,,they are PLENTY and VARIEd track cars........of alll brands...mazda rx3/rx7, etc, Nissan skylines/350z, toyota supras, mitsu evos, ford puma/cosworth/escorts/focus, toyota starlets (ep81, ep91, kp61, etc), subaru impreza sti/wrx, honda civics/integras, BMW (many types), pugeot (many types)...have even seen porche and few other exotics...and in standard, modified and i may even say overly modified (where it lookks nothing like the stock car anymore)

i can speak for barbados, jamaica, cayman, puerto rico and antigua in relation to track cars and 1/4 mile cars......so just letting people know there is no lack of quality cars over this side of the world

and the ep82/91 still holds its own against bigger group cars....
by the way...we have most types of motor sports over here.....1/4 mile, circuit/track, and road rally

 

[fastglanza]

bullet bullet bullet:shoot::rockon:

There are 14 different trims of the td04 in wheels alone. Housings are another thing.


Must be a pretty poor GT. They are feared here. I couldn't get a Evolution IV to race me if I paid. The fastest GTR locally is just milli-seconds off the fastest EP here. Both are 11 seconds cars.

 

[gorganl2000]

yeah fastglanza...that's what i've been saying for a while.....SO many td04s to choose from..........just choose the one u want for your application...........then dont event alk about td04 hybrids out there........its almost endless possibilities

 

[GTti]

Reality check? You just listed a whole load of japanese sheds to back up my point

I don't see one supercar in that list! I know we're on a Toyota forum, but the standard of European cars as a whole today are far better than japanease cars. It's a fact that japanese engines are well built and boast reliability but I'm affraid European cars have caught up and exceeded. (Please don't miss the important word in that paragraph)

The price reflects that. I would consider owning a decent Evo 7 or 8 +, but for not much more I'd rather have an S2 Exige and feel like Superman when I drive to work in the morning.

The amount these guys are spending on their sheds is unreal, I too have fallen into that category and have started to realize that I'm fighting a battle that doesn't exist, not to mention a losing one!

 

[Gee]

Unusable power? A TD04L wont do an 11 QTR. To get an 11 QTR you need a BIGGER tubo. So when does the TD04L become unusable?

Just an example

I'm up for a trackday next yr Kelly, no probs.

 

[Damage]

@ PumbaGT - not a problem

@ others - Well I'm going to try my best so I can get the TD04 work in a manner like the K24 did. Lots of work on timing. I know the TD04 might be worse at the sprint events ... hence why I will be keeping it Atleast for now. At the moment with the semi slicks I have lots and lots of traction so more power will definetly wont bother me. Plus with the SBC I-Color I can get the boost to come in different at various speeds.

As I had said I like to try things. I know with the K24 with a stock cylinder head and with semi slicks I can get mine to run 12.1s and with some good slicks, porting, cams and racing fuel will do an 11.9. But now had the K24 for a long time and what to try something else and see how it goes. I'm sure my standing time of 12.53E.T. with the K24 with the same mods I have will stay for quite a while till someone beats it so now its time to try the TD04H.

I think if I can get traction and same torque figures with the TD04H might even do better @ the hillclimb events

@ GTti - I know a gearbox would help me much more but the thing is I will have wheelspin if the ratios are closer. If I had Glanza 3rd and 4th gears it would be enough for the way I drive.

Regards,

Daniel J. Vella
Kyokudo Racing - Visit us

 

[Gee]

Reality check? You just listed a whole load of japanese sheds to back up my point

I don't see one supercar in that list! I know we're on a Toyota forum, but the standard of European cars as a whole today are far better than japanease cars. It's a fact that japanese engines are well built and boast reliability but I'm affraid European cars have caught up and exceeded. (Please don't miss the important word in that paragraph)

The price reflects that. I would consider owning a decent Evo 7 or 8 +, but for not much more I'd rather have an S2 Exige and feel like Superman when I drive to work in the morning.

The amount these guys are spending on their sheds is unreal, I too have fallen into that category and have started to realize that I'm fighting a battle that doesn't exist, not to mention a losing one!

Haha!

What have you been trying to acheive then? We all get an itch to mod and make our cars handle better and make more power etc, but if you have been giving yourself unachieveable targets of trying to make it handle better than an Exige or something thats just silly LOL

I have been making my car faster and handle better for the fews years I have had it, but not been working towards a particular car to better, thats just silly.

Obvisously most of us dont have stacks of cash sitting around..well not that we are willing to blow on our cars anyway, or we would all be driving around in Exiges and the like in the first place!

I agree, there are plenty of Europeon cars I would rather own that top Japanese models, but I cant afford them..thats why I drive a Starlet...and thats why I mod it gradually.

I love Japanese cars because of all they are about. The Japanese are fantastic when it comes to their cars, modding, tracking, drifting. The scene is so inspiring.

And when it comes to bang for your buck, nothing comes close to a turbocharged Japanese model....and I mean cars LOL

Oh and BTW...I'm sure a CT9 spools faster than a K24..so does that mean it would do better on track? LOL

Kelly - Why am I saying what?

 

[GTti]

I never said I was setting myself 'unachieveable targets'.

There was a thread not so long ago about how much people have spent on their cars, probably 50% of people spent more than quadruple figures (Or there abouts).
If this money was saved, coupled with the depreciation of a cars value over a couple of years then you really wouldn't be far away from a cheap supercar.

Infact most people here could have a BMW M Coupe or something in that price bracket

And when it comes to bang for your buck, nothing comes close to a turbocharged Japanese model....and I mean cars LOL

Is this before or after you've spent 3, 4, 5, 6 or 7 thousand pounds modifiying it?

Oh and BTW...I'm sure a CT9 spools faster than a K24..so does that mean it would do better on track? LOL

Now you're just being stupid intentionally!

 

[gorganl2000]

Reality check? You just listed a whole load of japanese sheds to back up my point

i listed a whole set of cars...japanese, european etc.....i just did not care to list them all--which even includes Audi, mercedes, etc.....

and i dont think many of us can offord the finer cars in life---even if we could , would everyone want one

but i get your point....just was letting u know about our region.....and we dont have crap competition over here

but anyway....i wont be detracting from the tread anymore.....if u want, u can start another tread and we could really get into this there (just send me a link) or via pm.....i'm sure it would be interesting

 

[gorganl2000]

and good luck damage.....i'm sure one way or the other u will be surprised

 

[HYBRID]

All this banging on about the foreign starlets, most of them haven't got real cars in the country, they just have turbocharged sheds (That includes all the jap cars). So sure they're going to be 'feared' with nothing to race against!

I can do a 12/13 sec 1/4 in a Lotus Exige 1.8 N/A and look good and pull the ladies while I'm at it for the same price

whenever ud like to get ur shed over to race against some of the cars u call "nothings" pls feel free.. but i can assure u.. even a 1960's escort with an na engine will piss all over your dreams over here.. i wonder which country in europe has the fastest 4 cylinder combustion engine in europe.. wait hold on.. thats right its MALTA..

so pls keep ur comments to urself about foreign countries.. the country u come from is a disgrace.. look at all the parts, tuning options & so many so called expert garages.. like thor racing etc.. did they manage to get a starlet with a 1.3 engine into the 11s or 10s?! FUCK NO THEY DIDNT.. sure they may have no interest in the matter, oh & i suppose ur right, coz malta has such a great track, that went Manti Bugeja came up with his dragster to race in santa pod he cut off 0.2ET from his 1/4 time with the same settings.. so theres really no excuse that u dont have the resources or the places to race decently..

the lads in the carribean & us here in malta (not to mention all the other countries with a 1/10 of the tuning options of the uk) make due with what theyre given & seriously tend to come up with better results..

so pls b4 u think about pulling ur foot out of ur mouth to say something make sure u know ur facts first....

kon