The Blitz K24 vs TD04 difference... coming soon ;)

GTti

GTti

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For a start where did I say "nothings?". The only person I've seen racing is Damage (With his KKK K24!) and very few others. A monkey can drive up a 1/4 mile strip as fast as you in your own car, that is NOT racing.

I've seen more Escorts than you have in your whole country in one day, so please don't start chatting a load of rubbish about that (Thats including RS200 Evo's at 700+ bhp getting to 100 in 5.5 seconds). I'm quite a retro Ford fan, I've been on track with GT40's, RS200/500's etc - I doubt you've even seen a GT40 :p

I can comment all I like about the cars available in your country. I've never said you can't modify them well, I'm sure you can. You just have no where near the the selection of the european market.

There are far more people racing in England and Europe, there are far better race tracks, and real race cars going round them.

I'm not quite sure where you're going with this?
 
GTti

GTti

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the country u come from is a disgrace.. look at all the parts
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Indeed it is, thats always the way in a more economically developed country. Why do you think parts are imported rather than custom made!
 
Damage

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@ GTti - I can understand your point about european cars. Mentioning the Elise/Exege .. I know its a insanely handling car ... but imagine having a family ... were would you put your kids ? In an Evo/Imp this is not a problem. Its true both are road cars and both of them have there up and downs. On a track I know the Elise would be awesome in the right hands but rally, etc and Evo is much better. On a drag strip I still think the Evo would do better times over an Exege all day wrong with the right amount of mods to it.

Mentioning the Elise... there is one full of fibre parts to lighten it jsut for hillclimbs and funnily enough I beat him in the last two events as I'm getting better event by event ;)

Also GTti you say that most countries havnt seen cars or raced against BMWs, etc ... the point is not that ... the point is that a person will do all him can to do to his car to perform and handle well and some cars will prove that big cars arent all that.

Look at me ... 21 year old guy ... small budget ... modify, tune, map and race my car and look at the Sprint Event results I'm getting...

Now I'm getting an Impreza soon ... on the books it should be that an Impreza will outhandle and perform a starlet easily but the thing is I will still race my starlet because deep down I know I will get better results in my little EP than with the Scooby.

All I'm saying is you cant say these starlets or other jap cars aren't good compared to European cars ... every car has his potential but some better than others
 
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gorganl2000

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@ gtti----man i could see this coming from a mile off...lol....as i said before, i dont want to go off track on this tread....but would be more than willing to discuss this in another tread.........i do this such a discussion would be very interesting and entertaining to say the least

hey damage....any specs on the td04h?
 
GTti

GTti

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Don't take me the wrong way Damage, and I appreciate you haven't got worked up.

I admire that you've set your car apart from the rest on this forum and I like the approach you have taken. You've kept the car similar to what it is in standard trim, it's response and characteristics and proved exactly what you stated. It works well, and I'd like you to keep it like that :p

I think people loose track of what the car is about, response, torque and fun.

Maybe, however - you will prove me wrong.
 
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Gee

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GTti said:
I never said I was setting myself 'unachieveable targets'.

There was a thread not so long ago about how much people have spent on their cars, probably 50% of people spent more than quadruple figures (Or there abouts).
If this money was saved, coupled with the depreciation of a cars value over a couple of years then you really wouldn't be far away from a cheap supercar.

Infact most people here could have a BMW M Coupe or something in that price bracket :p



Is this before or after you've spent 3, 4, 5, 6 or 7 thousand pounds modifiying it?



Now you're just being stupid intentionally! :p
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Haha. Last bit was not directed at you mate.

We all like modding cars mate, thats why we dont save. We spend gradually as we earn the money. Where is your coupe? Come on, you get the picture man!

And 'bang for buck'. Evo, RX7's etc can be bought for £4000+. They are not good value for money?

Sorry for moving off topic again guys! Dam you GTti and your turbocharged shed! :D
 
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Damage

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GTti said:
Don't take me the wrong way Damage, and I appreciate you haven't got worked up.

I admire that you've set your car apart from the rest on this forum and I like the approach you have taken. You've kept the car similar to what it is in standard trim, it's response and characteristics and proved exactly what you stated. It works well, and I'd like you to keep it like that :p

I think people loose track of what the car is about, response, torque and fun.

Maybe, however - you will prove me wrong.
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Thats what I'm trying to find out... how much power will be good for sprint events and at the same time be quick down the drag strip ;) Imagine an 11.9 sec starlet @ an uphill sprint event.... we will have to wait and see how it will go ;)
 
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Theres a difference guys, your right you can keep bolting bigger and bigger turbo's to starlets and keep getting quicker 1/4 mile times but you get that on the track and it would be a bag of shit, im talking about useable track power which has been said 220bhp is the known figure for maximum useable on fwd car's.
 
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I wish my car could match ben's round a track, theres some special about that thing, and as i said im not a 1/4 mile fan and i will never understand the point of it in a fwd car, near stock 4wd car's will out run modded GT's on the 1/4 so thats just my opinion, on track is a different story.

Anyways we have had hundreds of these topics and everyone always agree's both have pro's and con's, depends what you want, if you just want all out power and endless wheelspin then td04 forged is fine, you get to a point and its just useless power on a fwd car, imo that power is about 220-230bhp, anymore and its just pointless and silly IMO.

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couldnt agree more. anymore than 220bhp in a starlet is just for bragging down the pub.
 
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I find it amazing how you can all magically pull 220bhp from your arses as being the ideal power!

I doubt none of us on here are experts on suspension settings or on how to achieve good traction with high powered FWD cars.

There are boost controllers that allow you to adjust boost levels..OK spins in 1st and 2nd so set the controller at a lower boost and higher boost in gears where you can get more traction. There are a whole host of possibilities...

GoldenVTR is getting 13 sec QTR's and I bet anything that if he had someone look at his suspension settings he would crack the 12's with no issues and without raising the power.

The truth is hardly ANY of our Starlets and setup for anything specific. They are road cars with a few mods to handle better and move faster and to become more enjoyable on the circut and post decent QTR times.

This controversial topic will be around forever, so I dunno why I'm bothering :D

will never understand the point of it in a fwd car, near stock 4wd car's will out run modded GT's on the 1/4 so thats just my opinion, on track is a different story.

Why are you comparing the 2? I never thought the point of the QTR mile in a Starlet or FWD car was to 'kick a Skylines ass'. If that what happen's then all the better, but I seriously don't get your point? I do agree thou, circuit is a lot more fun for me.

FWD car's have their own group, just like RWD and AWD.
 
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But people try and compete starlets against bigger car's and tbh its never gonna happen, and why am i pulling 220bhp out of my arse? its because its well known as the bench mark as the limit of useable power in a fwd car, im sorry but i drive a starlet thats 210-220bhp and i dont want anymore power because it can't handle it, the car spins up in 1st, 2nd and sometimes 3rd so yea theres no point having anymore, I'm not doubting you can always get quicker and quicker 1/4 times as i know you can, but its not useable.
 
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Now I'm getting an Impreza soon ... on the books it should be that an Impreza will outhandle and perform a starlet easily but the thing is I will still race my starlet because deep down I know I will get better results in my little EP than with the Scooby.
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I can tell you from experience, your EP will be faster than your Impreza. The Impreza will need about 400whp to get the power-to-weight ratio of a 200whp EP. The reason I considered the WRX is because I wanted a bigger car that was more comfortable than the EP. That's it. It has nothing to do with speed, as my EP91 is faster than one.

As for handling my car runs with the best of them. I'll admit the Impreza is smoother, but the EP is just plain fun. Evolutions are dull to drive and just get there fast. I've raced up to a Evo6 on the road home many a night, and they couldn't leave me for any significant manner or distance.
 
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Jones36 said:
But people try and compete starlets against bigger car's and tbh its never gonna happen, and why am i pulling 220bhp out of my arse? its because its well known as the bench mark as the limit of useable power in a fwd car, im sorry but i drive a starlet thats 210-220bhp and i dont want anymore power because it can't handle it, the car spins up in 1st, 2nd and sometimes 3rd so yea theres no point having anymore, I'm not doubting you can always get quicker and quicker 1/4 times as i know you can, but its not useable.
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I strongly disagree with this. Useable power in a fwd on the street is up around 280 - 290hp at the wheels if your car is setup correctly. We have a few cars over here that are on the very edge of usable power and this seems to be the limit.

As for the TD04 argument. From what Ive seen its a very laggy turbo. The vf22 actually seems to come on earlier although its larger and is capable of approx an extra 50-80hp atw. Same flange as TD04L and the rest of the vf series too.

For the most fun on the street and Circuit Id stick with the K1 and it certainly seems youve got the car moving with it too.
 
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Jones36 said:
But people try and compete starlets against bigger car's and tbh its never gonna happen, and why am i pulling 220bhp out of my arse? its because its well known as the bench mark as the limit of useable power in a fwd car, im sorry but i drive a starlet thats 210-220bhp and i dont want anymore power because it can't handle it, the car spins up in 1st, 2nd and sometimes 3rd so yea theres no point having anymore, I'm not doubting you can always get quicker and quicker 1/4 times as i know you can, but its not useable.
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With all due respect Nick your car has very little done to improve the chassis/traction, i know its probably something you are looking at but you have no lsd to my knowledge, which will make a huge difference, and parts such as antilift kit, good camber, caster and tyres will obviously assist grip. Brfore my car blew on track, i could use all 257hp and 225lbft without a problem, 2nd gear was full traction.
 
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steveep82 said:
With all due respect Nick your car has very little done to improve the chassis/traction, i know its probably something you are looking at but you have no lsd to my knowledge, which will make a huge difference, and parts such as antilift kit, good camber, caster and tyres will obviously assist grip. Brfore my car blew on track, i could use all 257hp and 225lbft without a problem, 2nd gear was full traction.
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well ben's car has every ounce of suspension done and tyres are the best etc etc and if he had anymore power then it would be pointless. but dont know what that power is exactly as it boost alot higher on the road than on the rollers where we got the hp results. Its finding your own for your own car but tbh the limits cant all be far off each other in terms of power wise.

Harry i wish we could all move over there with our car's or you come over here and see how hard it is to have a car in a country that is damp nearly all the time and so goes for the quarter mile etc :)
 
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well one always watched european cars lose to jap ones on the track , Jgtc , and on the strip , All sorts of Nhra stuff , dont see where theyre advancing actually heh ! takes good skills to launch and control high hp cars im sure uve watched loads in real n vids
 
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