where do i stand??? what would you do???

[96v]

to cut a long story short - basically went to get my gearbox rebuilt a year ago and at the same time the guy said he had a mate who had just purchased a glanza box but had his car written off so the box came up for sale with an apparent 250 miles on it, to save the hassle of getting mine rebuilt he offered me the box for £450 so i accepted and on the box went, anyway a couple of weeks ago i went to get my LSD fitted and it turned out that the diff in the box had 6 bolts instead of the 8 which a glanza/gt box has, this in turn pretty much pointed out that i had been sold an n/a box instead of one for a glanza!
after questioning him, he let slip that the box didnt have 250 miles on it and infact his mate had the box for about 5 years, so unless his mate did 50 miles a year (which is highly unlikely) it sounds as though he fucking done me right over!
I have all the proof i.e txts and reciepts for the work backing up what i have said so on the gearbox side of things what would you do??

on having my diff fitted, the work is shit! diff knocks about and whines, its all juddery and feels worse than when it went in!
the bloke suggested taking it to a gearbox bloke that he hardly knows but i really dont wana do that!

would i be within my rights to get the money back i paid for -
1. the gearbox
2.the fitting of the diff

 

[Iain@CRD]

Your correct in saying a Starlet fitment of the Quaife is 8 bolts. I assume going by what you've said you've had the gearbox off? Do you have any pictures of the Quaife fitted? Should look like below:

Unless im wrong, which i hope someone can tell me as i havent seen the 6 stud fitment, but the allignment difference between a 6 stud and an 8 stud fitment would mean the Quaife wouldnt fit at all at the nuts wouldnt match up?

 

[96v]

no pictures of the quaife fitted unfortunately even though i asked for some

he basically took the crown wheel off the standard diff, put it on the quaife then bolted the quaife to a glanza final drive which has the 8 bolt pattern and stuck it in the box! i was hoping it would work but does it fuck, lol! whines and knocks about something chronic

 

[Iain@CRD]

no pictures of the quaife fitted unfortunately even though i asked for some

he basically took the crown wheel off the standard diff, put it on the quaife then bolted the quaife to a glanza final drive which has the 8 bolt pattern and stuck it in the box! i was hoping it would work but does it fuck, lol! whines and knocks about something chronic

Get you now sorry, going by your explanation it sounds as if you had the gearbox removed and inspected and you found out it was an 8 bolt diff fitted to a 6 stud final drive.

The box was fine before the diff was fitted? Have you tried taking it back? Most garages will double check without charge as its the original work carried out that your concerned about.

Was the Quaife bought brand new and fitted with new bearings also?

 

[96v]

lol, i went to have the quaife fitted and on taking the gearbox i had apart (i bought this off the mechanic i took my car to) it was discovered it had a 6 bolt diff inside which means i was sold an n/a box instead of a glanza!

the box whined as i thought it was the bearings so went up to him to have new bearings and the quaife fitted and we found all this out :s will be taking it back soon and he suggested taking it to a gearbox guy round the corner but i dont want anymore fucking about, the gearbox i was sold was wrong and the diff has been kinda bodged in :s so wot do i do? lol

 

[Texx]

he basically took the crown wheel off the standard diff, put it on the quaife then bolted the quaife to a glanza final drive which has the 8 bolt pattern and stuck it in the box!

That doesn't make any sense?!

What I think your trying to say is that he's bolted an 8 bolt ring gear from a Glanza onto the Quaife diff and then dropped that back into your gearbox?

If that's the case then I can't see how the teeth of the pinion gear on the output shaft would mesh properly with the teeth on the 8 bolt ring gear.

 

[96v]

lol, that could be more along the lines of things! iv just wrote down what he told me was he had done :s

it bascially hasnt worked and i was after a bit of advice as to what to do with i.e the n/a box that was sold to me and the work that was carried out

 

[BallıGee]

That doesn't make any sense?!

What I think your trying to say is that he's bolted an 8 bolt ring gear from a Glanza onto the Quaife diff and then dropped that back into your gearbox?

If that's the case then I can't see how the teeth of the pinion gear on the output shaft would mesh properly with the teeth on the 8 bolt ring gear.

what a bodge sounds like a trading standards job to me !!!!

 

[Texx]

I can't see there's much you can do about the box you bought a year ago, however if it's now developed a fault since it's been apart I would ask the guy to either strip the box again to identify the cause or refund what you paid so you can get someone else to look at it.

I haven't used them for some years, but from previous experience I would recommend http://www.bristoltransmissions.co.uk/. I'd stay away from Gloucester Rd Gearboxes.

 

[96v]

what a bodge sounds like a trading standards job to me !!!!

hmmmmmm i did trust the bloke and i know he does alot of work for people on here

I can't see there's much you can do about the box you bought a year ago, however if it's now developed a fault since it's been apart I would ask the guy to either strip the box again to identify the cause or refund what you paid so you can get someone else to look at it.

I haven't used them for some years, but from previous experience I would recommend http://www.bristoltransmissions.co.uk/. I'd stay away from Gloucester Rd Gearboxes.

lol, the fault would be the fact my quaife didnt fit as i was sold an n/a box and not a glanza box :s

i think il just bite the bullet and maybe ask for a refund! i dont see what else he could do, if it wasnt done properly the first time then im doubtful about the second time round

 

[joel_ep91]

it might not have been a N/A gearbox as the mk1 gt had a 6 bolt diff so could have been that

 

[weeJohn]

Is this the box you are talking about.....

http://www.toyotagtturbo.com/forums/showthread.php?93700-fte-vs-n-a-final-drive

 

[96v]

it might not have been a N/A gearbox as the mk1 gt had a 6 bolt diff so could have been that

lol, either way mate its still the wrong box! i thought i was paying for a glanza box instead of getting mine repaired as this was (what i thought) the easier option :S

Is this the box you are talking about.....

http://www.toyotagtturbo.com/forums/showthread.php?93700-fte-vs-n-a-final-drive

yeh mate, thats the one! dont get me wrong, the diff works but it just seems to make noises the feels as though something is loose

 

[Iain@CRD]

What gearbox oil are you using? That could a cause for the diff being noisey. In all honesty an uprated diff its way different to a stock or no diff at all so it will feel/sound abnormal.

 

[streetracer_starlet]

99% sure the 8 bolt ring gear is thicker than the 6 bolt ring gear, hence the knocking and not lining up properly. Me and my mate tryed to work out how to use bits out an n/a box to use in his GT box with a cusco diff......in the end it didnt go together properly or nicely and we wern't confident it would work on the road

 

[ktl]

Quiafe should make no noise whatso ver.

 

[96v]

What gearbox oil are you using? That could a cause for the diff being noisey. In all honesty an uprated diff its way different to a stock or no diff at all so it will feel/sound abnormal.

im running fuchs syn 5 mate as recommend to me by oilman so i doubt that would be the problem

99% sure the 8 bolt ring gear is thicker than the 6 bolt ring gear, hence the knocking and not lining up properly. Me and my mate tryed to work out how to use bits out an n/a box to use in his GT box with a cusco diff......in the end it didnt go together properly or nicely and we wern't confident it would work on the road

i think this may be the problem to be fair, and if that is the case, where the foooook would i go from there? another new gearbox?

Quiafe should make no noise whatso ver.

exactly what i have heard

 

[Texx]

where the foooook would i go from there? another new gearbox? (

First thing I would do is drop the oil out of the box and see if any chunks of metal come out. Let it drain into a clean container so you can reuse the oil if you don't find anything concerning.

Have you still got your old gearbox?

 

[96v]

First thing I would do is drop the oil out of the box and see if any chunks of metal come out. Let it drain into a clean container so you can reuse the oil if you don't find anything concerning.

Have you still got your old gearbox?

lol, metal chunks??? i hope not to see any of them :S i only had the diff fitted a couple of weeks ago so should be alright i guess? plus when he drained the previous oil he said it was clean but if the gearbox is the wrong box, stuff for a turbo wouldn't fit properly anyway!
my old gearbox was up with the mechanic, dno what he has done with it now! had a 3rd gear syncro gone

 

[Texx]

If the ring and pinion gears don't mesh properly then it's likely gear teeth will begin to chip off. If the pinion gear is chipped you'll need another output shaft, so you'd be best off rebuilding a turbo box and swapping your diff into that.