who runs aftermarket ecu's?

[Guye]

JAM ecus...and all aftermarket ecus.....sell for around GBP300- gbp500 depending on demand at the time and if u can find a deal

i've been happy with it since i got it......saves me on fuel.....so kinds of pays for itself---this is under normal driving conditions......if your foot is heavy, then fuel goes as normal

but i think they are overpriced when people want to sell them in excess of gbp400..........an emanage ultimate can be had for close to that........and offers adjustability........however, as siad before...my jam has been a joy so far:rockon:

Ditto. Good tuners are almost impossible to find over here. Plug & Play was really the only option. I have nothing but praise for my JAM ecu as well.

 

[Arbate]

i think the down side of the JAM ecu that you cant map your own air fuel mixture.. so if you planing to upgrade your engine such as higher the boost more than 1 bar you will need a stand alone or min a piggyback.. but if you planing to run it safe and plug and play JAM will be more than enough..

just my 2cent

Cheers mate

 

[Guye]

i think the down side of the JAM ecu that you cant map your own air fuel mixture.. so if you planing to upgrade your engine such as higher the boost more than 1 bar you will need a stand alone or min a piggyback.. but if you planing to run it safe and plug and play JAM will be more than enough..

just my 2cent

Cheers mate

I remember reading somewhere that the JAM ecu is mapped up to 18psi. 15psi is recommended to prevent con-rod damage. Trying to fuel 18psi is useless without a 3 bar map sensor anyway. I'll search for that source....

 

[E10]

Does anybody run a jam ECU or somthing else on a TD04l setup?

 

[Timmy]

The jam ecu is fine for upto 1.2bar from what i hear, but thats pushing the ct9 abit too hard, i doubt you will get con rod damage from it unless constantly reving up to 8k. I get the feeling that they set the rev limiter abit to high. Also running that boost you mus have an uprated mani or you could have issues.
I also get the feeling that emanage is a bit of a rip off unless you are well connected as you can't get it fitted and mapped for less than £400.

 

[gorganl2000]

to me...the jam, blitz, mines, etc should sell at around gbp300 max........it's only over that people have driven up the price based on demand.........BUT these units used to sell relatively cheap on the japan auctions a while back..........

there was some guy running a JAM ecu with td04 set up........from memory....he said it fuelled his set up properly at 1 bar.........i've also heard this from another person---in relation to JAM ecu fueling bigger turbo set ups (with supporting mods---bigger injectors, fuel pump, maybe rrfpr)......i dont know about other ecus doing this

this is a touchy topic........but it seems like the JAM runs based on some sort of set AFR target...........regardless of application-----i assume this is within reason

read what ted said (near the botom of the page)---td04 set up
http://toyotagtturbo.com/showthread.php?t=1116

 

[Timmy]

this is a touchy topic........but it seems like the JAM runs based on some sort of set AFR target...........regardless of application-----i assume this is within reason

Exactly right thats why people say they are self learning and why you can get funny afr curves on the dyno me thinks.

 

[gorganl2000]

Exactly right thats why people say they are self learning and why you can get funny afr curves on the dyno me thinks.

lol.....i purposely did not use the terms " self-learning"".........cause that's usually what causes the heated discussions......lol

but they must be able to adjust somehow......as there's NO real comparison between a td04 and a ct9....and to get fuelling pretty spot on would take some doing------and i've heard this a few times about the JAM and MINES...even the blitz......but i cant prove it (yet)

 

[Guye]

lol.....i purposely did not use the terms " self-learning"".........cause that's usually what causes the heated discussions......lol

but they must be able to adjust somehow......as there's NO real comparison between a td04 and a ct9....and to get fuelling pretty spot on would take some doing------and i've heard this a few times about the JAM and MINES...even the blitz......but i cant prove it (yet)

Interesting...

 

[Timmy]

it doesn't really need proving if you ask me evan the standard ecu is self learning to a degree. It's obviously tunes it's self off the stock narrow band sensor hence why they make it tune itself to be on the rich side of things.

 

[Toyota T23]

think i saw this ....something about taking out some teeth from the distributor??

This what need to be done, if you buy it from www.turbomotor.dk

Stock

For MS

 

[Arbate]

thats remind me, i have a mugen ecu on my honda jazz/fit the spec is for track use only and i tested on rolling road.. the air fuel mixture is fine but my tunner try to piggyback the mugen ecu with unichip, because even though the ecu is learning but its does't do the real proper tuning for the "true" potential of the car...

so i make a test.. i use a standart ecu with unichip piggyback, its run the same horse power as it run with mugen+unichip.. but that only works with proper tuning and a good tunner

so like i said, for plug&play use the remap ecu,such as JAM.. but you can tune it better with a piggyback or stand alone..

thx mate..

love this discussion

 

[Toyota T23]

Preprogramed ECU is not wort anything, because not 2 engines are the same.
If you want to change ECU, get a standalone ECU you can tune on, like megasquirt, TEC, or something like that, and get it tuned properly with wideband kit.

 

[Toby@ToyTuning.com]

Preprogramed ECU is not wort anything, because not 2 engines are the same..

As above, especially when your considering the JAM/Blitz/HRF units that can only be adjusted in Japan. They are pretty much worthless and it's a high gamble when you will have no idea what they've been mapped for. Even to an identical car with identical mods there will be huge variables to consider like temperature, climate, humidity, pressure, load, friction etc etc..

Personally we use Link XLEM, good standalone and are tuners specialise in it which is fundamental to any choice..

T

 

[dac69er]

my mate had a link ecu fitted to his GT4 and after he got it road mapped it was actually slower than with the stock ecu!!!!

im happy with my JAM unit, it definitely made a difference to the car!

 

[Toby@ToyTuning.com]

That's down to the tuner then Dunc. There is always a chance that the pre-mapped ECU is close to your needs but it's an expensive chance if it's not right and may end up doing more harm then good..

Cheers

T

 

[dac69er]

i agree, but the place he went to are meant to be 3sgte specialists and have dealt with link ecus in the past!?
its obviously not the fault of the ecu, but even getting the car mapped by a professional cant always guarantee you good results.

i wanted to try the jam just to say i had and im happy with what it has done to the performance of the car.

will see what happens when i fit my power fc!!!!

 

[Rory]

The Mines ecu in my car, is running it just fine (1.2 bar on a CT20)
HAd no problems, EGT's are fine and yes it is running rich, going by the plug colour.

I will be installing my E/Blue when i change to the Tdo4, but i will dyno the Td04 before i change the ecu, just for a comparison.

Overall im happy with it.

 

[hardcoreep]

Preprogramed ECU is not wort anything, because not 2 engines are the same.
If you want to change ECU, get a standalone ECU you can tune on, like megasquirt, TEC, or something like that, and get it tuned properly with wideband kit.

If that were true then your STOCK ECU would be useless as well, wouldn't it. My friend made 300+ using a MINES and a SAFC. My Honda friend put in a Mugen N1 ECU and on the first run made 14whp, after a week he retested and made 32whp. I can feel the difference between 90-octane and 100-octane on my Blitz Access. I'm fine with them and recommend them to anyone. If you want more then buy a programmable system and spend the week wiring it up and fighting with it on a dyno.

 

[Toby@ToyTuning.com]

I think he's reffering to aftermarket units, if you want to get a perfect tune there not the route to take..

T