Adam_Glanza
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starbus they should come with the kit from toby etc
Apexi Power FC for Glanza
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I've mapped car's from SCRATCH before.
Like i say, if its just programming like that i'm sure it'l be ok.
Calibrating AIT sensors, CTC, map sensors etc etc are all in the software i have.
It's the hardware changes that i'm interested in. Obviously the wiring harness is the easy part.
If the standard ECU on an Evo was mappable, and you could get an off the shelf harness, fitting it to a starlet wouldn't be such a hard deal? LOT's or thing's run on cossworth management.
WallaceGlanza
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190 bhp ? thought it was 189.8bhp
Bah, don't be so pedantic!
The injector and igntion harnesses, you've obviously not looked into the emanage much at all. www.mohdparts.com has all the emanage parts and lots of info.
Also making 190bhp on 4efte with just a blitz ecu is quite impressive!
I thought you had a hybrid ct9 not a stock one?
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Bah, don't be so pedantic!
The injector and igntion harnesses, you've obviously not looked into the emanage much at all. www.mohdparts.com has all the emanage parts and lots of info.
Also making 190bhp on 4efte with just a blitz ecu is quite impressive!
Not just a blitz, i mean, "just a blitz ecu" I.e. an off the shelf not custom management.
Adam_Glanza
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to be fair your not really taking in what people are trying to tell you, you seem pretty dead set on trying so why not just have a go lol.
fair play to you and will be intresting to see the results.
fair play to you and will be intresting to see the results.
If some1 told me.
"it won't work because...the board's are totally different"
Then i'd know be happy.
But all i've had is "it won't work because it won't"
i'l do some more research into it tomorrow, and ask a tuner that caters in Power FC's for more than 1 car.
Chance are if, say the Evo and subaru power FC's are the same, so will the Evo and starlet 1s.
But maybe like people in here say, there may a lot of hardware differences as well.
Dave@TM-developments.com
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I'm sure a few have tried on here with the non ap stuff and hit a brick wall, but go for it. Its only money
I'm sure a few have tried on here with the non ap stuff and hit a brick wall, but go for it. Its only money
These are the people i want feedback from.
If no1 has been there i guess i'l be the 1 to find out, even if the hard way.
But maybe a user might be able to tell me what didn't work etc.
Franza1
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What maby an easier route is to start from a toyota base Power FC like a Corolla, Levin, Chaser or Sorer one, Most of the electronics and engine management layouts may be the same.
hardcoreep
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You obviously didn't read enough on the emanage. There's more code to the PowerFC than what is loadable.
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fastglanza
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I have a better idea tho..get urself an rx7 powerfc because it has 2 ignition maps..leading and trailing, that will suit the 4efte so well...think of the power u will get with 2 ignition maps!!
Gee
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Power FC's are good units, this is why the are so common. May bug tuners use them and a lot of mappers have experience with them.
There are better units out there, but then we have to take a look at budgets + costs.
The Apexi gets bad press sometimes and I don't know why. I think people think it is THE ECU of all ECU's which is not the case, which rubs up the wrong way on some people.
Take a look here:
http://www.toyotagtturbo.com/showthread.php?t=8959
Lots of info and there is a massive thread in regards to ECU's on this forum also.
Starbus,
If you are sure you can do it or would like to give it a try then go for it! Just try and find the cheapest Power FC going incase you fry it!
There are better units out there, but then we have to take a look at budgets + costs.
The Apexi gets bad press sometimes and I don't know why. I think people think it is THE ECU of all ECU's which is not the case, which rubs up the wrong way on some people.
Take a look here:
http://www.toyotagtturbo.com/showthread.php?t=8959
Lots of info and there is a massive thread in regards to ECU's on this forum also.
Starbus,
If you are sure you can do it or would like to give it a try then go for it! Just try and find the cheapest Power FC going incase you fry it!
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Thanks for the link, an interesting read.
Well thats the thing, i've looked at Emanage, and it didn't look great. Ok you can buy new harness's etc to make it better.
I've looked at the power FC and its very expensive for this car for a basic ECU. So i was wondering if i could buy the non Ap eng 1 and simply upload new base map's to it. I'm still looking into this.
Other than the above 2 there doesn't seem to be much out there.
Adam_Glanza
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theres tonnes of better ecu's out there.. there just expensive.
you pay for wat you get unfortunately.
ok e-manage may not be "the best" but its good enough for wat most need and its cost effective too.
theres ecus like motec, link etc that ok are expensive but very good ecus.
wat power are you aiming for
you pay for wat you get unfortunately.
ok e-manage may not be "the best" but its good enough for wat most need and its cost effective too.
theres ecus like motec, link etc that ok are expensive but very good ecus.
wat power are you aiming for
sx_turbo
Lifer
have you looked into getting the greddy emanage ultimate?
buy that with the required harnesses,
apparently its as good if not slightly better than the apexi power fc.
an evo power fc wont work on an a starlet, because the boards and hardware a completly different.
pete (pet beemer)@ autofixed, was trying to build his own mappable ecu for starlets. i dont know how he has got on, but i dont think he was very succesful.
starlet ecu's seem overly complicated for some reason.
ap engineering used an mr2 ecu and changed little bits and peices to make it work on a starlet. maybe u could do the same thing. buy an mr2 ecu and try adapting it. (but i belive the had to adapt the board)
Thanks for your helpful reply.
I've looked briefly into the Emanage ultimate, but not read up on it for hours.
I have an Evo, and a Civic turbo for daily driving, both are on aftermarket management and even though i had to socket my ECU etc on the civic, both were easy in terms of. Pick an ECU with the features i want, install and map it.
I don't think i want to spend for the AP eng ECU, as the features on the Power FC aren't fantastic, and the price of that put's it upthere with the likes of link etc.
I've mapped a Link system before, and didn't find that to be as good as the price reflects.
Pet Beemer, that name rings a bell, i'm sure he deals in Evo's as well.
azerty
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just so you know, Emanage ultimate will do everything power FC does, plus few other goodies. like launch control, dual switchable maps...
it works very well on the starlet turbo. so why trying to go the hard way ? now if you feel the fun, you might come up with something interesting. or not...
it works very well on the starlet turbo. so why trying to go the hard way ? now if you feel the fun, you might come up with something interesting. or not...
exactly mate
I'm also looking into this now.
However you need a lot of extra bit's to get the full package it seems.
Thats what put me off.