4EFTE Vs B16A2

[99glanzav]

With that setup on a b16 you might see 200bhp. You've basically got cams, able to rev higher, free flowing exhaust and intake. Defin not worth the money imo. You could spend that in much better areas than a new sump, oil cooler and rad cap that you dont need!

Just stick a b20 bottom end with your standard b16 head and that would be sooo much better. More torque, near 200bhp and will save you a hell of a lot of money.

But prove me wrong

its a type r engine if your talking to me mate:homer:not a b16a.....

and its somewhere in the region or 220+ will be stroking to 1.8 next year and with those mods i will see 250anyways,its been proven many many times,anyways theres no point spending anymore on power because at 230bhp i believe its the most usable power in fwd.....on its limits.....imo of course...

b20 is an option but a stroker kit on the b16b is alot better option as far as bhp is concerned.....

 

[Timmy]

Ultimately a b16 is a better engine due to 2 thing displacement and varible valve timing.
But money wise and street usability the 4efte is better plus the great feeling of torque you don't get in a honda.

I think comparing to the 8 sec 1/4s run by some b16's isn't realy comparable as i don't think anyone has tuned a 4efte car for pure drag racing.
The 11 second starlets although drag cars are all street legal unlike thos civics.

 

[goldenvtr]

What you should be asking is probly more like

b16 VS 4age 20valve thats would be a fairer comparison.

I would stongly agree the b16 is a better engine even tho i love the we turbo engine people need to get real :homer:

 

[Adam_Glanza]

i would say the 4e is the easiest way to get more power..

they are both different engines as already stated.

on a n/a once you do the usual mods like exhaust filter etc etc youll run out of easy ways to get quick bhp.

but on a turbo you can just up boost or change turbo for a big kick up the ass

 

[Deano]

Honda B16a2's aren't that great I had a pretty stock standard 1989 levin with the smallport it just left them behind. A 20 valve BZR Levin can easily beat a civic sir check out the youtube video that civic just got left behind. Civics are mean when they have a turbo bolted on thats when they shine. I think without turbos and wastegates vtecs sound like shit and very annoying imo and they aren't that great top end they seem to run outta power after about 120 km/h-130 km/h I have been in a turboed civicd that one was mental lol

 

[Jessup]

B16a wud be a beter engien standard id say. as was said its bullet proff with some nice high revs. but the 4efte has alot more potential an could easily reach 200bhp before the b16a

 

[Mike D EP82]

my mates car is a b16a2 with stage 1 skunk 2 cams, skunk 2 cat back exhaust with a hks jasma manifold, a long arm aem induction kit (which brings the vtec roar to life) an thats about it but i belive it will be 155 as the gap between the 145 mark looks around about 10mph gap more, bearing in mind it does take a while to get there as 5th gear is shit but it screams its head off bouncing at 8500rpm but im convinced there is something on the car the previous owner didnt tell him as he had a newer vti and it wouldnt go past 140 145 but thats minus the cams though, only reason he bought this one was because it was 1500 quid and was ideal to well kill lol

 

[Mike D EP82]

i have a few vtec turbos on my bebo which i got from youtube look scary to drive as the turbo just eats the front tyres lol only reason i have them is i like the vtis just as much as starlets but i got the starlet much cheaper and cleaner than alot of the civics would be

 

[Dan3SGTE]

intersting discussion..... im just sitting here reading through it all.... lol

 

[pc18]

Get to sleep its late!
yeah good read tho. i will defiently have another crx it was a toss up between getting the gt and a crx sir glassroof with a b18c6 98 spec jdm engine 200bhp+ absolutly mint, but i was told it sold so i got the gt instead lol the found out it didnt and was even cheaper lol

 

[Dan3SGTE]

yeah i am now, lol.... my eyes are stinging like F*ck.... need sleep haha

 

[chief-long-shin]

I had the b18c4 engine in my old civic years ago - was an awesome engine coming to life when most people were changing gear. It topped out at 147 with only induction and filter mod so it was quick out of the box.

As for the B16 my friend ran a 12 second quarter in one with some borrowed prelude parts i think strapped onto it. ( www.g-motorsports.com)

I would personally say the honda was quicker 60+ but the starlet feels it due to size/weight. ( its not by much though to be honest and 0-60 would be more or less identical )

 

[Damage]

If it were a drag race the B16a would with all out. Those engine can take lots lots of power !!!!

 

[Rory]

Rory- whats ur bros crx spec?

glanza v- very interested in the ek9 build, release me the spec list also working with a b16a to get it into b16b form what mods are necessary?

1990 CRx siR
B16b cams
Supersprint mani (50mm collector)
Kakimoto Exhaust
KnN panel filter
Remap

Yet it pulls 14.1 over the 1/4 mile. To me thats a quick car. Yet on the dyno it come away with standard power figures.
Number are useless, its how its mapped is the key.
He will be turbo'ing it very shortly aswell.

250 bhp on a 1.8...... ill believe it when i see it.
ive seen a fully worked b20 with 250 and yet the best it ran on th 1/4 was low 13's.

Standard for standrd though, the Honda engine wins, the build quality and reliability is far superior.

 

[Toplap]

B16a2 N/A is a beast of a motor, but making power costs big money. I had a proper built 1999 Civic Si running a B16 that eventually grenaded. It ran at 11:1 CR the Rocket Motorsports cams/valvetrain, Omnipower valves, AEBS manifold, JDM DC header w/ 2.5 inch collector, obd2-obd1 conversion chipped to tune with uberdata, and that's about it. We did take it all the way down and use ARP rod bolts, full race main bearings, balanced and blue printed the bottom end, stock pistons w/ a .025 over bore, cp rings, and shaved the head a bit. That gave me a nice platform to start from and be able to handle the revs. That put down 178whp@9700rpms/103wtq. Not nearly as much power as the 4E can make being turbo'd, but going no lift through a corner at 90 mph is a feeling most turbo cars cant give you.

Now ive smartened up a bit and started with alittle better platform the LSVtec B18C1 bottom end and a B16a2 head. the new build assembled with ARP rod bolts, ACL race bearings, OEM honda rings, PR3 (b16a2) pistons for higher compression. New lower gasket set, new type R oil pump shimmed, NRG aluminum cam seal,
PR3 head milled .030.,bronze Ferrea valve guides, did a three angle valve job to clean up the valve seats, Ferrea valve stem seals, REV stainless valves, Rocket Motorsports M22X cams, Rocket Motorsports LSX valvesprings and titanium retainers, Skunk2 cam gears, AEBS intake manifold, Honda Prelude injectors, Hondata Heatshield intake gasket, K&N typhoon cold air intake, SPARKS racing header (copy of the SMSP tri-y), NRG catch can custom mounted, custom straight through header back exhaust from MSPi, skunk2 obd2-obd1 conversion harness chipped P28 ecu running crome engine management. Tuned for a VERY conservative setup running 13:1 A/F, stock ignition timing, and -1, -1 cam timing made 181whp 112lb/ft tq on MSPi Dynojet. The car has plenty of power left in it as evidenced from the fact it made 150 on low cam only and the motor doesn't make peak power until 8500 rpm. For a B18c1/b16a2 hybrid with a 4-2-1 header that is very high for peak power.

 

[Toplap]

1990 CRx siR
B16b cams
Supersprint mani (50mm collector)
Kakimoto Exhaust
KnN panel filter
Remap

Yet it pulls 14.1 over the 1/4 mile. To me thats a quick car. Yet on the dyno it come away with standard power figures.
Number are useless, its how its mapped is the key.
He will be turbo'ing it very shortly aswell.

250 bhp on a 1.8...... ill believe it when i see it.
ive seen a fully worked b20 with 250 and yet the best it ran on th 1/4 was low 13's.

Standard for standrd though, the Honda engine wins, the build quality and reliability is far superior.

There are several ppl here in the states running in the 230-235whp range with 1.8 LS/Vtec builds. I can find proof if you want

 

[StarbowBoi]

From what i have gathered the b16 base unit is suttle in standard form and requires at least an 1800cc stroker kit to perform to a high standard in n/a form, turbocharging is the only other big bhp getter. stroked b16 1/4mile and costs is the info im after now, any help? cheers

what is lsvtec?

is it an lsi 1.8 bottom end or a sohc or dohc b18

 

[SaRfI]

i see no point comparing a 1.3 block vs 1.6 ...

and still for few ponnies gain on vtech you will have to spend load more money than you can spend on 4efte and get more ponnies..just from your lunch money

 

[HYBRID]

well give a b16 7psi on a t3/t4 & well see what is better down the strip

im sure most of u know they can take that boost on stock internals.. turbo +9000rpms = well we all know the outcome

 

[Damage]

well give a b16 7psi on a t3/t4 & well see what is better down the strip

im sure most of u know they can take that boost on stock internals.. turbo +9000rpms = well we all know the outcome

With the same argument ... give the same boost on a starlet on the same turbo and see who's fastest. My mate running 7psi on his turbo on a teg did a 12.4 without any problems and with all the interior inside.