***Closing the Classifieds Section***

[Idrees]

how about:

you start charging for advertising lol,

have some sort of link on the sellers page under his username and will show all the history of sales feedback (i know theres a sales feedback thread but cant you link that to each user) sorry if this is a big space taker for the site


refresh everyones post count?

affy

Lol!

I don't think listing fees will stop bad items being sold.

A link to the seller feedback could be good however.

 

[Suspected_Psycho]

I only really buy off people ive been floating around the forums for a year or so.. but everyone should be honest with sales..

 

[Johnny_C]

A link to the seller feedback could be good however.

ive already said this.:homer:
lol!

 

[starletgt.neal]

Lol!

I don't think listing fees will stop bad items being sold.

A link to the seller feedback could be good however.

i think the sales feedback is a very good idea then if some1 says they are breaking a car and dont send the first item purchased the buyer can right it on the feedback straightt away?? best idea so far along with being a paid member and having over a certain number of posts combine these 3 things and i think you have a really good start

well rep to you johnny aswell then lol!

 

[Sound Per4mance VI]

iTrader ratings

I suggested this a while back

http://www.toyotagtturbo.com/forums//showthread.php?t=34076

that allows you to rate your fellow tggt users in business transactions that may occur on the site, buying/selling/swapping of parts etc.

It will be similar in concept to eBay ratings.


Also:

1) iTrader rating as above
2) must be a paid member
3) upping post count to 125 or 45 days... whichever comes first.
4) must also have a positive rep. (more than standard 10 or specific amount) this will be to verify the seller is posting up spam and is contributing to the site positively
5) charge a real small listing fee (like 1 dollar - 3 dollars or so depending on asking price of the item or like .5% or 1%) that will be refunded upon buyer's satisfaction... or 30 days w/ proof that buyer received the item, whichever comes first


I think by upping the posts alone you will see more stuff like "lol", "great stuff" etc... which have no benefit to the site

i think by following the full picture as stated above more people will actually fill out the feedback, which WILL let everbody no if the person is sincere and also benifit the site.

what you guys think?

 

[JDubz]

x2 Sound Per4mance VI

I agree, upping the post count would just get people making stupid comments on the forums, and clogging up everything!

I reckon members should have an certain amount of repp before they can sell items on here. Like say 50?

As if the guys who are selling there products actually know enough about the products they are selling then im sure 50 repp points shouldnt be too hard for them to gain.

 

[sx_turbo]

theres no way of stopping it to be fair all we can do is prevent it.

if your going to up the post count, then maybe the only way to get post counts would be in the tech section, and all other forums should give no post counts.

then maybe up the post count to 100 ish, cos to get 100 post counts just in the tech section is quite hard.

or maybe each time someone sells something they should have a contact member from this site to act as a reference just like when people want to rent flats they need to have give a person for a reference

 

[Nwimie]

i think itrader is good.

 

[Gee]

I recently stripped my Glanza as you all know and shipped a HUGE amount of goodies in the post and some people also picked bits up.

My descriptions were totally honest and I even suggested people search the forum under my user name etc to see if I had mentioned any problems with particular parts.

In regards to the postage of items, I also clearly put a disclaimer that postage might be a while, but would be sent via recorded delivery.

All items were sent within a week. I packaged bits up and then sent them off on a day off from work..

There are really no excuses. I understand people have lifes, job and famalies, but if you have paid for something you expect within a resonable time, so people really need to pull their fingers out!

Would be a shame to see the classifieds closed..but if it does come to that..maybe we could simply have a forum where by you post a link to the listing of the item on Ebay and its gets automatically locked.

That way we are still exposed to parts for sale, but everything is done through another source and also comes with some sort of payment/seller protection (Ebay/Paypal).

 

[sacodetoro]

That way we are still exposed to parts for sale, but everything is done through another source and also comes with some sort of payment/seller protection (Ebay/Paypal).

If worst comes to worst that could work and people could just list the item as buy it now or make offer so that the items don't go for nothing and the ebay listing can last a while.

 

[GTti]

It's going to be difficult to prevent these problems, the more items sold here then there will naturally be a greater possibility of a troublesome sale.

At the moment it's difficult enough to get most people to follow the simple sales template, regardless of their registered status!.

Even if the template is correct, I find myself browsing through all the previous posts of the user if less than 100 and checking their previous sales for suspicious activity. Due to volume of traffic on the forum its difficult to spot this in the making, it's often only at this point we discover it. To top it off we get complaints saying someones thread hasn't been approved.

But it can often be the newer members that sell in the classified section who offer good deals for the users, if we restrict this too much then it will dry up, everyone needs to start from somewhere.

1) I can't see that restricting to paid members will make a difference because if you're selling hundreds of pounds worth of components then £6 is far less then eBay fees.

2) Increasing the post count isn't fair, you could make 50 posts each being very informative and gaining reputation, or you could posts 250 "Looks good mate" posts. I certainly don't want to be checking this! We've reset posts counts of multiple users who've managed to rack up 50 posts in a couple of days despite being registered for a month.

3) We don't need an iTrader reputation bar, we already have a reputation bar that can be used.

4) Increasing membership time is a good idea, it's most probably people that require money in the short term who create bad sales. I think it should be increased to 3 months.


I think the pressure should be taken off the Moderators and should take more time in approving classifield threads. People have no grounds for complaint should their thread be delayed or deleted.

To round it off:

1) Increase membership length requirement (3 months).
2) Reputation requirement (It can be difficult to obtain reputation so a minor requirement should suffice +10) This should encourage newer members to get involved rather than posting pointless comments.
3) Increase thread approval time (Allows more time to check you out).

 

[Rumel786]

It's going to be difficult to prevent these problems, the more items sold here then there will naturally be a greater possibility of a troublesome sale.

At the moment it's difficult enough to get most people to follow the simple sales template, regardless of their registered status!.

Even if the template is correct, I find myself browsing through all the previous posts of the user if less than 100 and checking their previous sales for suspicious activity. Due to volume of traffic on the forum its difficult to spot this in the making, it's often only at this point we discover it. To top it off we get complaints saying someones thread hasn't been approved.

But it can often be the newer members that sell in the classified section who offer good deals for the users, if we restrict this too much then it will dry up, everyone needs to start from somewhere.

1) I can't see that restricting to paid members will make a difference because if you're selling hundreds of pounds worth of components then £6 is far less then eBay fees.

2) Increasing the post count isn't fair, you could make 50 posts each being very informative and gaining reputation, or you could posts 250 "Looks good mate" posts. I certainly don't want to be checking this! We've reset posts counts of multiple users who've managed to rack up 50 posts in a couple of days despite being registered for a month.

3) We don't need an iTrader reputation bar, we already have a reputation bar that can be used.

4) Increasing membership time is a good idea, it's most probably people that require money in the short term who create bad sales. I think it should be increased to 3 months.


I think the pressure should be taken off the Moderators and should take more time in approving classifield threads. People have no grounds for complaint should their thread be delayed or deleted.

To round it off:

1) Increase membership length requirement (3 months).
2) Reputation requirement (It can be difficult to obtain reputation so a minor requirement should suffice +10) This should encourage newer members to get involved rather than posting pointless comments.
3) Increase thread approval time (Allows more time to check you out).

I think its going to be very hard for users like myself for the reputation thing as iv got very little knowledge on cars and most of the times ask stupid questions ie "which ep is my starlet" lol

Would mods take this under discretion when approving for sale threads?

not that im planning on selling anything soon, but just thought il ask

 

[GTti]

I think its going to be very hard for users like myself for the reputation thing as iv got very little knowledge on cars and most of the times ask stupid questions ie "which ep is my starlet" lol

Would mods take this under discretion when approving for sale threads?

not that im planning on selling anything soon, but just thought il ask

Thats OK,

Hence why it should be a low level of reputation, it will also encourage us to use the system more purposefully.

You don't have to be technical to gain reputation, it could be about road safety or other experiences, it could be posting information such as a trackday video, it could be from a purchase and the trader has given reputation for you.

You certainly don't need to be technical and moderators will try and rep people where deserved.

 

[Spoonz]

How about this.

Reading this thread ive seen alot of people with over 100reputation now that tells me they answer a few technical question so are contributing to the site so if they where to sell i would trust them,

Now if u didnt have no reputation and had 60odd post i wouldnt buy from u and prob wouldnt even sell to you so how bout you have,

1)Must have 300 post
2)Must be a Paid member or a memeber for 4months
3)Must have 100 reputation

Also the buyer should check what the person has been posting to see if it aint spam check the sales feedback section to see if anyone has brought from them.

Also maybe you could make it like a rule that if u buy from some1 that you leave feedback be it good or bad???

I also noticed dylan say you havnt got time to deal with all the disputes maybe theres someone who would be willing to deal with them??

 

[The_Notorious_C_A_T]

Some good points raised so far in the thread.

Agree on the trader reputation, all sites I came from have it. As normal rep should be used for technical excellence, or just good helpful advice. Not related to trader status at all as I have seen lots of people that post good helpful advice yet have constant complaints about them as traders.

Also like has been mentioned, alot of newbies like myself do buy/sell alot of new stuff. I have spent a fair bit in a few weeks. Dave can vouch for that. Although I am new here pretty much.

Also a point regarding postage, yes we all "should" insure it at full value and have it signed for, yet alot of people don't as it costs them more. It's like speeding I suppose, people do it because you get away with it most of the time. Like postage, most of the timne it's fine cheap ass standard delivery. It's the times it's not that are heard about.

When I sell stuff I always send it by courier, or if small, recorded.

It's not what you know, it's what you can prove in this world. So if anything goes wrong I will help out as best as I can but I will have stated the couriers level of insurance and any shortfall in value if it was nicked I would not compensate for as the buyer would say no to the extra few quid in postage.

This online buying is all about covering your ass, yes there are some real good deals out there, but also some scum that want to scam. Thats why I always use my credit card for buying, unless it's local. Has a record of the deal, and rechargable if the milk turns out to be sour.

Just small things like a few minutes to think "am I covering myself" can go along way. Although it's never 100% safe buying online no matter what.

sorry for the real long reply like, and sure I missed some points I had in my mind like

 

[Sound Per4mance VI]

How about this.

Now if u didnt have no reputation and had 60odd post i wouldnt buy from u and prob wouldnt even sell to you so how bout you have,

1)Must have 300 post -
2)Must be a Paid member or a memeber for 4months -
3)Must have 100 reputation

#1) 300 posts is a lil too much imo

#2) agreed

#3) is VERY hard to accomplish, as alot of people don't even use the rep. I think i posted up some very helpful stuff but i'm stuck @ 29 like forever

 

[Sound Per4mance VI]

1) I can't see that restricting to paid members will make a difference because if you're selling hundreds of pounds worth of components then £6 is far less then eBay fees.

2) Increasing the post count isn't fair, you could make 50 posts each being very informative and gaining reputation, or you could posts 250 "Looks good mate" posts. I certainly don't want to be checking this! We've reset posts counts of multiple users who've managed to rack up 50 posts in a couple of days despite being registered for a month.

3) We don't need an iTrader reputation bar, we already have a reputation bar that can be used.

4) Increasing membership time is a good idea, it's most probably people that require money in the short term who create bad sales. I think it should be increased to 3 months.


I think the pressure should be taken off the Moderators and should take more time in approving classifield threads. People have no grounds for complaint should their thread be delayed or deleted.

To round it off:

1) Increase membership length requirement (3 months).
2) Reputation requirement (It can be difficult to obtain reputation so a minor requirement should suffice +10) This should encourage newer members to get involved rather than posting pointless comments.
3) Increase thread approval time (Allows more time to check you out).

i think reputation may fall under a seperate category compared to sales feedback

 

[cantbassed]

on another forum im with to be able to sell you have to be a member for 9 months. and the member would have to be a active member, if not making threads or replying to post at least visiting the site like once a month or something. id say the post count thing is a little too much. iv been a member and a paid member before and its taken me ages to get to my current post count.

 

[GTti]

i think reputation may fall under a seperate category compared to sales feedback

Don't really agree with that, it wouldn't matter if we made the feedback visible.

 

[Gav_Kara]

But thats why there is the option if your known to elite members they can vouch. Im not bragging but ive travelled over 60mile to nearly every single meet i was at,road trips are a good laugh.

This way doesnt suit everyone but its one of the closest ways to knowing all the sellers and its probably the safest.

We have to travel at least 80miles to get on a dual carriage way from skegness,ask blak_mamber he came down not long back its a right nightmare,plus im a learner and got allowed on motorway