***Closing the Classifieds Section***
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Craig
Lifer
I'm in work so I haven't had the opportunity to read the whole thread, but my views below;
Increase minimum post count
Increase minimum time as Paid Member
Retain thread moderation/approval, BUT remove TGTT as an entity for resolving any issues.
The staff should not be responsible for issues. This forum is such a close community that any wrong doing by dodgy sellers/buyers is normally resolved/exposed on a mass team effort (not the staff team, the members).
Increase minimum post count
Increase minimum time as Paid Member
Retain thread moderation/approval, BUT remove TGTT as an entity for resolving any issues.
The staff should not be responsible for issues. This forum is such a close community that any wrong doing by dodgy sellers/buyers is normally resolved/exposed on a mass team effort (not the staff team, the members).
GT-TD04
Supermoderator
Simply get paid trusted members* to send a photocopy or photo of their log book proving they are who they say they are before selling.
Trusted members = Vouched for members by already trusted members.If they go bad both new member and trusted member gets reprimanded.
Its harsh but if you really want to sell your car/items and are confident they are 100% shouldnt be a problem.
Obviously TGTT staff never give out info to any third party or use it in any way out of order.
As it is,members are getting scared to buy on here,some at least.Its a bad feeling all round.
Just my 2c and yes,i can see the complications.
Trusted members = Vouched for members by already trusted members.If they go bad both new member and trusted member gets reprimanded.
Its harsh but if you really want to sell your car/items and are confident they are 100% shouldnt be a problem.
Obviously TGTT staff never give out info to any third party or use it in any way out of order.
As it is,members are getting scared to buy on here,some at least.Its a bad feeling all round.
Just my 2c and yes,i can see the complications.
cameroon95
Member +
Here's my ideal criteria before you can sell on TGTT
300 Posts
Must be a member for at least six months
What i often do is before i buy anything i often look back through a seller's posts, if he's been a general prick on the site I won't buy.
Perhaps having a flag system, i.e if a member acts rudely another member can give negative rep and a flag is raised on his profile?
That way i can see straight away if he's a bit of a twat, just an idea.
300 Posts
Must be a member for at least six months
What i often do is before i buy anything i often look back through a seller's posts, if he's been a general prick on the site I won't buy.
Perhaps having a flag system, i.e if a member acts rudely another member can give negative rep and a flag is raised on his profile?
That way i can see straight away if he's a bit of a twat, just an idea.
lingl9z
Member +
Paid Member
6months membership
300 post count
item must be sent with-in a certain time frame after payment recieved.
no payment via gift as you can't get a refund etc
certain amount of rep for helping members out + maybe a seperate rep system under name for sales (buying and selling)
6months membership
300 post count
item must be sent with-in a certain time frame after payment recieved.
no payment via gift as you can't get a refund etc
certain amount of rep for helping members out + maybe a seperate rep system under name for sales (buying and selling)
www.glanza.co.uk
Super Mod (極度の調整器)
Just so you all know, we're not just ignoring the recent 'incidents' on here. Discussions are going on in the background, and all your opinions are welcome and gratefully received. Keep them coming, as it's good to get your thoughts. 
Texx
Super Moderator
I feel like I'm repeating myself, so I do apologise, but I believe the sales feedback forum is paramount to improving the classifieds experience.
IMO there is no better way in determining a seller or buyers previous reputation than reading comments left by members that have dealt with them before. Some members may feel it's a bit of a task for them to read through another members feedback thread, but personally I would rather do that and make myself aware of the pro's and con's of dealing with a member than just throwing a sum of money in their direction hoping I'll receive what I've paid for.
However saying that, I do think it may be beneficial to introduce a reporting system that enables members to report bad sellers to the Admin for further investigation, although any further investigation will be limited to the information provided from the sales feedback thread. So again the sales feedback forum is paramount in achieving a more efficient system.
Members usernames could be added to the 'Untrusted Sellers' list, but to do this the Admin will need to be provided with enough information to justify such an action. There are always two sides to every story and sometimes only having one side of it is not enough to make a reasonable decision.
I cannot urge how important leaving negative as well as positive feedback is, so if you have a negative comment to make about a seller/buyer then please do so, only ensure it's done in a polite and justified manner. Just remember it's a feedback section not a slagging match section.
IMO there is no better way in determining a seller or buyers previous reputation than reading comments left by members that have dealt with them before. Some members may feel it's a bit of a task for them to read through another members feedback thread, but personally I would rather do that and make myself aware of the pro's and con's of dealing with a member than just throwing a sum of money in their direction hoping I'll receive what I've paid for.
However saying that, I do think it may be beneficial to introduce a reporting system that enables members to report bad sellers to the Admin for further investigation, although any further investigation will be limited to the information provided from the sales feedback thread. So again the sales feedback forum is paramount in achieving a more efficient system.
Members usernames could be added to the 'Untrusted Sellers' list, but to do this the Admin will need to be provided with enough information to justify such an action. There are always two sides to every story and sometimes only having one side of it is not enough to make a reasonable decision.
I cannot urge how important leaving negative as well as positive feedback is, so if you have a negative comment to make about a seller/buyer then please do so, only ensure it's done in a polite and justified manner. Just remember it's a feedback section not a slagging match section.
GT_Irl
Member +
Also, how about caps on values for items sold? Eg, you need a certain amount of rep, positive feedback etc for selling items valued over 500gbp, 1000gbp, 1500gbp etc etc. I think this would reduce members large scale exposure to getting scammed as only well trusted members would be allowed to sell larger valued items this would result in scammers only being able to sell cheaply valued items, unless they're dedicated and in it for the long haul I think this would deter most scammers, just the time to build up a big enough post count to make it worthwhile for them..if you get me!
I kind of presumed it too be honest but nice to see you say it all the same Keep up the good work!
Just so you all know, we're not just ignoring the recent 'incidents' on here. Discussions are going on in the background, and all your opinions are welcome and gratefully received. Keep them coming, as it's good to get your thoughts.
I kind of presumed it too be honest but nice to see you say it all the same
Keep up the good work!
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gglavin
Member +
admin do have a hell of job looking through threads in all fairness. but i think this should be a priority as its raising awareness and if people dont have the free time well how can we get it sorted?, the ideas are good , obviously they can not all be implemented.
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Craig_GT
Lifer
The idea of increased post count/paid member etc i think is great.
However I have noticed in the past that a few people sign up, leave replies in the wanted section along with say a mobile number for them to contact, to a newbie they might not realise but alot of times this is another method of scaming that people use to get around the rules of selling.
It may be useful to have similar rules for replies to wanted threads aswell as forsale threads.
means new people cant just sign up, go to the wanted section and say iv got this that and the next thing and get away with ripping people off.
I have seen it happen and reported it a few times in the past.
Craig
However I have noticed in the past that a few people sign up, leave replies in the wanted section along with say a mobile number for them to contact, to a newbie they might not realise but alot of times this is another method of scaming that people use to get around the rules of selling.
It may be useful to have similar rules for replies to wanted threads aswell as forsale threads.
means new people cant just sign up, go to the wanted section and say iv got this that and the next thing and get away with ripping people off.
I have seen it happen and reported it a few times in the past.
Craig
GT_Irl
Member +
Epic call there bud! Ive seen alot of that. Rep'd
Nippon
Member +
I think..
Raise the minumum number of posts.
Have to be a paid member to advertise parts for sale.
Follow the correct sales template.
Ban anyone that does not follow suit.
Could maybe do an automatic PM to new users stating the terms and conditions/rules of the site and its specific areas, Cars for sale, Parts for sale etc so no one can say "I didnt know the rules"
Definatly dont think it should be closed.
Matt D
Raise the minumum number of posts.
Have to be a paid member to advertise parts for sale.
Follow the correct sales template.
Ban anyone that does not follow suit.
Could maybe do an automatic PM to new users stating the terms and conditions/rules of the site and its specific areas, Cars for sale, Parts for sale etc so no one can say "I didnt know the rules"
Definatly dont think it should be closed.
Matt D
gglavin
Member +
take the 10 most requested Ideas & implement the first one ( paid memebers only ) see if that works if not then try second one ( raised post count ) then so on.............
GT-TD04
Supermoderator
Texx
Super Moderator
Personally I don't see how restricting the classifieds section to paid members only is going to help, however I could be wrong. Also increasing the post count could work in some ways, but then where would that leave long term members that generally browse the site, but rarely post, would that mean they also can't be trusted?
gglavin
Member +
these ideas could backfire to be fair, but i think a change is needed, in relation to paid member & post count, people are coming forward with idividual cases, this is not to resolve , its to prevent.
in my case a paid member has not sent on stuff to me & im giving him the chance, so would not have worked in my case either
in my case a paid member has not sent on stuff to me & im giving him the chance, so would not have worked in my case either
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Craig_GT
Lifer
Guye
Lifer
X2. I use reviews and feedback on sites like Amazon for example, all the time before purchasing a product or using a certain seller. The only drawback I can see to this is unless the member is a "serial scammer" like JD, Kitaro, Toby etc. the negative feedback may come too late. Even with those guys mentioned, there would have been a time when they would have gotten excellent feedback from the first lucky customers, then that same good feedback would then draw others in for the kill later. It seems that most times it's a one time transaction where the culprit will then disappear afterwards. Negative feedback won't trouble someone who already has his ill gotten gains and have no intentions of returning to the site. I personal believe that classified transactions will be impossibly difficult to police tbh. That's why I personally use only long standing reputable members, even if it means waiting a while for them to get the items I need, at the end of the day I know I will get it. To help protect against or deter the "hit and run" scammers, most of the ideas giving so far about being paid members, post counts, rep totals etc. are already heading in the right direction.
GTti
Member +
I've always thought the sales section on this forum is really poor, considering how busy it gets I'm suprised that it's still not been rectified. It takes a huge amount of time from Moderators.
There are alot of non paid members who have very attractive items for sale, I don't think it's such a good idea to restrict them.
As mentioned before, the best user experience I've had on a forum was on imoc.
The seller HAS to finialise the transaction (thread), response HAS to be left by each party, the transaction is recorded, the thread is automatically closed. Trackable and tidy. You can view the feddback left and also view the threads in question for each sales transaction.
There are alot of non paid members who have very attractive items for sale, I don't think it's such a good idea to restrict them.
As mentioned before, the best user experience I've had on a forum was on imoc.
The seller HAS to finialise the transaction (thread), response HAS to be left by each party, the transaction is recorded, the thread is automatically closed. Trackable and tidy. You can view the feddback left and also view the threads in question for each sales transaction.
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