Sheldon
Malta Area Rep.
could be a batch dude!
CAP clutches
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could be a batch dude!
Right as advised by my customer i removed clutch again for inspection by cap/speedvision as requested by speedvision
I really went to town trying to work out what was wrong and found various issues with both clutch kits
1. Release bearing grease gushing out of bearings
2. Friction material on Friction Plate not square on plate, i can visibly see a gap in places and no gaps in others
3. As said before i even fitted either kit the Friction plate appears warped where the rivets are
4. Uneven wear on Friction material of Friction plate, probably a biproduct of 2 & 3
I got my customer to take pics of all areas i had pointed out and he set about sending them to Speedvision before he sent clutches. I am trying to get hold of pics to post up for you all to see for yourselves
The response was that the gearbox has twisted the plate and caused condition of rivets thus causing uneven wear on friction material. Id firstly say that he does not listen as i pointed this problem with rivets out before fitting and even took pics of this before fitting 2nd kit! And im very very intrigued as to how the gearbox does this
And how it lifts the friction material from the friction plate
The release bearing issure was blamed on installation which is also rubbish, the release bearing is a simple install that either works or it doesnt
I cannot believe the service of this trader, its just plain ridiculous and the lack of tecnical knowledge is worrying
The gearbox is not at fault im 100% sure of that, it worked perfectly beforehand and the clutch is definitly dragging, you can physically feel it when the car is in gear, it almost drags you along. It is not disengaging full stop and even when the fork is levered right over to the edge of the gearbox casing it is still the same
I really went to town trying to work out what was wrong and found various issues with both clutch kits
1. Release bearing grease gushing out of bearings
2. Friction material on Friction Plate not square on plate, i can visibly see a gap in places and no gaps in others
3. As said before i even fitted either kit the Friction plate appears warped where the rivets are
4. Uneven wear on Friction material of Friction plate, probably a biproduct of 2 & 3
I got my customer to take pics of all areas i had pointed out and he set about sending them to Speedvision before he sent clutches. I am trying to get hold of pics to post up for you all to see for yourselves
The response was that the gearbox has twisted the plate and caused condition of rivets thus causing uneven wear on friction material. Id firstly say that he does not listen as i pointed this problem with rivets out before fitting and even took pics of this before fitting 2nd kit! And im very very intrigued as to how the gearbox does this
And how it lifts the friction material from the friction plateThe release bearing issure was blamed on installation which is also rubbish, the release bearing is a simple install that either works or it doesnt
I cannot believe the service of this trader, its just plain ridiculous and the lack of tecnical knowledge is worrying
The gearbox is not at fault im 100% sure of that, it worked perfectly beforehand and the clutch is definitly dragging, you can physically feel it when the car is in gear, it almost drags you along. It is not disengaging full stop and even when the fork is levered right over to the edge of the gearbox casing it is still the same
bad luck, yes indeed? I'm the customer by the way and i've now been without a car since hmmm, november? even had to sorn it the other week because tax was running out and there was no way it would get through an mot in that condition. So not best pleased to say the least.
I must give speedvision some credit, he did send out a replacement for me, but i now feel it's gone a bit far. I put this to him the other week and requested a refund, i was told flat out no, then we came to the arrangement that i would get 120 odd dollars back? on the provision that i sent them both back to him to send onto cap for testing.
$120, not even half, but fair enough, better than nothing, so removed the clutch again, bear in mind this is the 4th time I've had to have the box off now?
Anyway, Dan and I inspected them very closely and took pics etc, I PM'd Speedvision our findings as dan listed and was told that there's no way they will take them back now, as apparenlty it's been installed badly, not sure how you can install a clutch badly with a line up tool and only a few bolts to put in? release bearing don't brake, so i must be lieing about that i guess even though i have pictures. And also my car's caused the uneven wear and dodgy rivetting to occur? if i new my car could rivet i'd get it a job to earn back some of the money i've spent on her, lol.
Just sending the pics over now for dan to put up and illustrate as he can give more information on them than i.
I must give speedvision some credit, he did send out a replacement for me, but i now feel it's gone a bit far. I put this to him the other week and requested a refund, i was told flat out no, then we came to the arrangement that i would get 120 odd dollars back? on the provision that i sent them both back to him to send onto cap for testing.
$120, not even half, but fair enough, better than nothing, so removed the clutch again, bear in mind this is the 4th time I've had to have the box off now?
Anyway, Dan and I inspected them very closely and took pics etc, I PM'd Speedvision our findings as dan listed and was told that there's no way they will take them back now, as apparenlty it's been installed badly, not sure how you can install a clutch badly with a line up tool and only a few bolts to put in? release bearing don't brake, so i must be lieing about that i guess even though i have pictures. And also my car's caused the uneven wear and dodgy rivetting to occur? if i new my car could rivet i'd get it a job to earn back some of the money i've spent on her, lol.
Just sending the pics over now for dan to put up and illustrate as he can give more information on them than i.
gap on left hand side between friction material and plate
and again on another paddle
need a keen eye here and not great pic but same again
the uneven wear
release bearing spewing its grease out
other cap supplied release bearing
seems a little scored
and the other one the same
focus on 2nd rivet in view, its raised
other friciton disc....look at gap between friction material and plate and again look at 2nd rivet in view
uneven wear
other side of plates, you can also see the state of the rivets and plate straightness here
rivet close up
and again
and again on another paddle
need a keen eye here and not great pic but same again
the uneven wear
release bearing spewing its grease out
other cap supplied release bearing
seems a little scored
and the other one the same
focus on 2nd rivet in view, its raised
other friciton disc....look at gap between friction material and plate and again look at 2nd rivet in view
uneven wear
other side of plates, you can also see the state of the rivets and plate straightness here
rivet close up
and again
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sorry to hear your having problems, it's a bitch especially when traders arent particuarly helpful.
if you havnt got another clutch sorted yet, give me a shout and i do you a deal on an exedy one to help you out
It would be my customer that would need a clutch but i have advised him to stay away from exedy as they have been so poor in the past, the pulsar failures were pitiful, and these cap clutches have exedy stamped on them
This reminds me, another thing i noticed about cap.....
They state
and
utter crap, they are remanufactured exedy friction plates!!!:shoot:
Speedvision now changed minds again now and is passing situation on to Cap despite being the 'agent' in the sale
speedvision
Member +
sorry to hear your having problems, it's a bitch especially when traders arent particuarly helpful.
if you havnt got another clutch sorted yet, give me a shout and i do you a deal on an exedy one to help you out
i beg to differ on ur response..i have been more than helpful.if i wasnt they would have not even received a second kit...there's only so much i can do at this point when both kits they claim are faulty..and after the numerous good feedback on cap clutches i am quite pissed off at this current situation right now..
sam
really?! so whats going on here then
What colour is your cover and friction plate when gold paint is removed? maybe you have a pic of cover and friction plate to compareYes a refund! Simple fix
Just because something hasnt broken or failed yet it doesnt mean it wont ever have a problem
speedvision
Member +
Yes a refund! Simple fix
not after i supplied a new kit.
Just because something hasnt broken or failed yet it doesnt mean it wont ever have a problem[/QUOTE]
true but 2 kits with same problem?
not after i supplied a new kit.
Just because something hasnt broken or failed yet it doesnt mean it wont ever have a problem[/QUOTE]
true but 2 kits with same problem?
gorganl2000
Lifer
boss...just reading this tread...i seriously think the flywheel should be inspected carefully......and i dotn mean with the naked eye...
take off the flywheel and take it to a machine shop to get it checked for flatness/uneveness...both the contact area AND the flywheel itself..........and maybe check the gearbox shaft also
the wear on those 2 clutches looks the same basically....and the probability that 2 clutches will do this exact same thing is small----THOUGH it could happen
but u have to make sure u cover all angles
u could also try another brand SIMILARLY built clutch and pressure plate (4 puck spring centre) and see what happens
also, where those rivets are....i'm not sure they affect/touch anything,,,as they more than likely sit in the "open" centre section----you can tell me whether this is so or not
Also...could u post up some pics of the flywheel and gearbox shaft area for the members to see also.....that way maybe some1 could see all aspects of the set up and maybe offer some insight...
well i hope things work out for yuh
and to be honest,,,,it seems like speedvision has tried to help...as i know many sellers/traders would not even have bothered to help out
take off the flywheel and take it to a machine shop to get it checked for flatness/uneveness...both the contact area AND the flywheel itself..........and maybe check the gearbox shaft also
the wear on those 2 clutches looks the same basically....and the probability that 2 clutches will do this exact same thing is small----THOUGH it could happen
but u have to make sure u cover all angles
u could also try another brand SIMILARLY built clutch and pressure plate (4 puck spring centre) and see what happens
also, where those rivets are....i'm not sure they affect/touch anything,,,as they more than likely sit in the "open" centre section----you can tell me whether this is so or not
Also...could u post up some pics of the flywheel and gearbox shaft area for the members to see also.....that way maybe some1 could see all aspects of the set up and maybe offer some insight...
well i hope things work out for yuh
and to be honest,,,,it seems like speedvision has tried to help...as i know many sellers/traders would not even have bothered to help out
Flywheel was inspected and checked by reputable machine shop
The wear on the two clutches is different and one clutch feels and works differently to the other
The rivets dont touch anything they hold the sprung centre to the outer friction plate and it appears that where it is rivetted that the plate has been distorted
I will be there again next week for a pic of flywheel and gearbox shaft, again i state that the gearbox is fine, no issues at all on a stock clutch
read back through previous posts there are no angles left, all were eliminated attempted to prove the point already known....that the clutches do not work
I didnt have issue with them on pulsars but a fair few owners did, the friction material just fell apart.
I have fitted a few to hondas and they feel awful and dont last too long
Exedy are no match for similarly specced clutches from other proven manufacturers
The wear on the two clutches is different and one clutch feels and works differently to the other
The rivets dont touch anything they hold the sprung centre to the outer friction plate and it appears that where it is rivetted that the plate has been distorted
I will be there again next week for a pic of flywheel and gearbox shaft, again i state that the gearbox is fine, no issues at all on a stock clutch
read back through previous posts there are no angles left, all were eliminated attempted to prove the point already known....that the clutches do not work
I didnt have issue with them on pulsars but a fair few owners did, the friction material just fell apart.
I have fitted a few to hondas and they feel awful and dont last too long
Exedy are no match for similarly specced clutches from other proven manufacturers
Sheldon
Malta Area Rep.
id say that the drivers have problems then lol...
i never heard anything bad about exedy... many high powered cars use them and fail after many hrs of abuse on the strip
one of few
GT-TD04
Supermoderator
really?! so whats going on here then
the middle piece is silver and so is the cover originally.
There back on the car atm but they'll be back off soon so ill try to remember to get a pic or two
Been reading thru this post and just want to say my own experience, i've had the cap clutch for a month now, and it works fine, not a problem with it. Before a installed took the clutch, plate and flywheel for a resurface and test in a machine shop and they guy told me that the pressure plate have less distance to hold the clutch than the stock one, and you can feel it in the pedal i barely touch it and the clutch is disengaging.
Now about CAP, this is not a rebuilt clutch, this is a custom made clutch where they use a exedy or another brand center and just add the pucks on it. Here where i live people tend to do that a lot. Hence is not a rebuilt, they just receive the center of the disc from a manufacturer and add the other parts themselves. I'm sorry you had a bad luck with the clutches, these are very good clutches that can hold the power really well.
Now about CAP, this is not a rebuilt clutch, this is a custom made clutch where they use a exedy or another brand center and just add the pucks on it. Here where i live people tend to do that a lot. Hence is not a rebuilt, they just receive the center of the disc from a manufacturer and add the other parts themselves. I'm sorry you had a bad luck with the clutches, these are very good clutches that can hold the power really well.