blitz jam mines etc ecus what the big £ about
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williamocarroll1982
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I'm not dissing these ecu's. They can and do give good results but they can't give you as good a map as a programmable ecu and don't offer the same extras. Like Like you said, you were lucky and just happened to get one that happened to be mapped for a car that had very similar mods to the mod that you had on your car which meant it worked well on your car but that was pot luck. I have a HKS FCON PFC myself that I will be putting into my own car when its done but thats only because it cost me just €250 and because I know the car it came out of was the car it was originally mapped for and mine will have similar mods (except mine will have K1-200V instead of a CT-9). I'd pay up to €300 for one of these but no more than that. They are very good for what they are but they aren't worth what people are paying for them.
JasonGlanza
Lifer
money isn't a problem in this case Sheld (better spend money on products that are trusted and made from people that knows what are they doing) , if they aren't gd why JAM/BLITZ/MINES etc produced those ecus? they spent many on R&D about them for sure! to buy an safc is an easy task and you can trim as you like, ok ignition timing varies with trimming but to run on gd afrs as normal on every situation and that everything works well its fine and im happy with it. Also im not trying to overload the turbo/engine with huge ammount of boost that is not capable of holding it like many many many do just for the sake of fun, i know what i want and i stop there and for what i want its a perfect combination these ecus! To go for an emu or similar you must go for big power, yes in those situations they are needed but how many on here are seeing over 220bhp? for that power downwards jdm ecus can work fine with the correct setup
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JasonGlanza
Lifer
simply yes!
faisalgtturbo
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well i have 2 main points on this thread i like the plug and play ecus!!
1) these types of ecu (blitz, sard, mines, jam etc) are a good, quick and easy way of making a bit more power with supporting mods
they offer ease of use and are flexible u can use them on ct9's and hybrid turbos td04's and the like (i am running a toms ecu on greddy td05 18g untill apexi p fc is mapped) from experience i found the toms run richer than most) i can use this ecu on ct9 as well if the turbo blows or needs a rebuild etc.. and i can easily plug it in or take it out its really simple.... i have had loads of them and they are good items to have
there is a point that u will come to when u want more power or u will want to make proper use of the power u have i.e get it down on the tarmac/road
with my toms i get some wheel spin even with a trd diff i know with a mapable system this would be ironed out....
2) fully mappable systems are good but costly, they do allow u to make the most of you mods and have a pin point map to suit... but everytime u wanna change
or the turbo is shot u will need to re map the ecu... and then back again to re map it when the car is able to run previous map
so in conclusion, the current times we are in people will/are looking for the easiest/cheapest way to gain sum more power p/p ecus offer this imo
and most people are happy with around 200hp which any of the p/p ecus can deliver....... if u are chasing high hp figures u wont be using a p/p ecu
there is no inbetween untill ccm produce the p/p haltechs lol
faisal
1) these types of ecu (blitz, sard, mines, jam etc) are a good, quick and easy way of making a bit more power with supporting mods
they offer ease of use and are flexible u can use them on ct9's and hybrid turbos td04's and the like (i am running a toms ecu on greddy td05 18g untill apexi p fc is mapped) from experience i found the toms run richer than most) i can use this ecu on ct9 as well if the turbo blows or needs a rebuild etc.. and i can easily plug it in or take it out its really simple.... i have had loads of them and they are good items to have
there is a point that u will come to when u want more power or u will want to make proper use of the power u have i.e get it down on the tarmac/road
with my toms i get some wheel spin even with a trd diff i know with a mapable system this would be ironed out....
2) fully mappable systems are good but costly, they do allow u to make the most of you mods and have a pin point map to suit... but everytime u wanna change
or the turbo is shot u will need to re map the ecu... and then back again to re map it when the car is able to run previous map
so in conclusion, the current times we are in people will/are looking for the easiest/cheapest way to gain sum more power p/p ecus offer this imo
and most people are happy with around 200hp which any of the p/p ecus can deliver....... if u are chasing high hp figures u wont be using a p/p ecu
there is no inbetween untill ccm produce the p/p haltechs lol
faisal
sacodetoro
Lifer
Chris, you said his tuner wasn't up to much because he only made 230bhp at 1 bar, all I said was that all you could do was 237bhp at 1.2bar. Negating your comment about his tuner.
Haltech wasn't even formed when these ecu's were brought out and neither was motec, the technology is not comparable.
The design aim of Haltech/Motec is to create a platform for the tuner to create the perfect tune for a specific car.
the design aim of JAM/Blitz/Mines etc was to create an ecu that was plug and play, be user friendly and be able to adapt to minor modifications. As far as I am aware, these companies also mapped ecu's for specific customer cars meaning that when someone over here plugged it in, it would not fuel right etc etc
The fact of the matter is that they are not directly comparable, it is obvious a full standalone ECU will always be better,just as a full standalone is better than a piggyback, just as a piggyback is better than a p/p, no one has doubted that. That does not change the fact that there is still a use for the p/p ecus in some circumstances.
Haltech wasn't even formed when these ecu's were brought out and neither was motec, the technology is not comparable.
The design aim of Haltech/Motec is to create a platform for the tuner to create the perfect tune for a specific car.
the design aim of JAM/Blitz/Mines etc was to create an ecu that was plug and play, be user friendly and be able to adapt to minor modifications. As far as I am aware, these companies also mapped ecu's for specific customer cars meaning that when someone over here plugged it in, it would not fuel right etc etc
The fact of the matter is that they are not directly comparable, it is obvious a full standalone ECU will always be better,just as a full standalone is better than a piggyback, just as a piggyback is better than a p/p, no one has doubted that. That does not change the fact that there is still a use for the p/p ecus in some circumstances.
JasonGlanza
Lifer
thats true
Rory
Lifer
Without rambling on about diffirences, from what ive read on here, alot of people are getting hooked up on peak power numbers.
Ignore that number, unless your up there everyday of the week.
Just think how you drive everyday, where do you want the car to perform, midrange torque is the answer.
If you want peak power, get a Honda.
Ignore that number, unless your up there everyday of the week.
Just think how you drive everyday, where do you want the car to perform, midrange torque is the answer.
If you want peak power, get a Honda.
waglanzav
Fresh Recruit
Convenience. People pay double the price for pre packaged vegetables like lettuce, you get less for more but it's already washed and you just eat it 
I paid 800GBP for my ep91 jam ecu (delivered), and it was the most stress free modification I have done with great results. Removed boost limit in first & second gear, removed speed cut, removed boost cut, fuel cut. The car is so much smoother to drive as well, pulls a lot harder and I only have an exhaust, filter running stock boost. I don't want to be hanging around "tuning" shops spending money all the time, I just want to drive my car. From all the research I did on this topic this was the best option for my circumstances and the plans I have for the car, and it happened to be the cheapest and very easy as well I'm definitely not a guru on this topic but my experience with the jam ecu has been nothing but positive and definitely worth the money for the convenience and performance combination.
I found out that the ecu I bought was off a car with the same mods as mine anyway, but from the other discussion it was mentioned that there is no information to suggest the jam ecu's are mapped for any specific setup?
There's heaps more info in hardcoreep's other thread, all this has already been covered in plenty of detail
I paid 800GBP for my ep91 jam ecu (delivered), and it was the most stress free modification I have done with great results. Removed boost limit in first & second gear, removed speed cut, removed boost cut, fuel cut. The car is so much smoother to drive as well, pulls a lot harder and I only have an exhaust, filter running stock boost. I don't want to be hanging around "tuning" shops spending money all the time, I just want to drive my car. From all the research I did on this topic this was the best option for my circumstances and the plans I have for the car, and it happened to be the cheapest and very easy as well
I'm definitely not a guru on this topic but my experience with the jam ecu has been nothing but positive and definitely worth the money for the convenience and performance combination.I found out that the ecu I bought was off a car with the same mods as mine anyway, but from the other discussion it was mentioned that there is no information to suggest the jam ecu's are mapped for any specific setup?
There's heaps more info in hardcoreep's other thread, all this has already been covered in plenty of detail
williamocarroll1982
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Convenience. People pay double the price for pre packaged vegetables like lettuce, you get less for more but it's already washed and you just eat it
I paid 800GBP for my ep91 jam ecu (delivered), and it was the most stress free modification I have done with great results. Removed boost limit in first & second gear, removed speed cut, removed boost cut, fuel cut. The car is so much smoother to drive as well, pulls a lot harder and I only have an exhaust, filter running stock boost. I don't want to be hanging around "tuning" shops spending money all the time, I just want to drive my car. From all the research I did on this topic this was the best option for my circumstances and the plans I have for the car, and it happened to be the cheapest and very easy as well
I found out that the ecu I bought was off a car with the same mods as mine anyway, but from the other discussion it was mentioned that there is no information to suggest the jam ecu's are mapped for any specific setup?
There's heaps more info in hardcoreep's other thread, all this has already been covered in plenty of detail
This is a very good point and simplifies exactly why people have and still do buy these ecu's and like I said, modifications are personal taste. If your willing to pay ridiculous prices for something that improves your car and is easy to use then that is your choice and I have no problem with that. I will be doing the same thing myself with the HKS FCON PFC but I only paid €250 for it.
I also think that for people who do not have a tuner local to them that this may be the best option. There is on point that some people on here are making that with a standalone unit you have to get it tuned every time you do a modification, this is no more true than with a plug and play unit. A plug and play unit isn't a magical box that can compensate for modifications that you may add later, it used sensors like knock, water temp, map, inlet air and lambda, on the car to make small tweaks to the map. A stand alone unit has the exact same capabilities as these sensors are all used. The only difference is you CAN get it mapped again later to your exact mods if you have a standalone unit.
A lot of good points have been made for both and I agree that both have a place in the market. I think that the plug and play units are very good, I just think that for the money they are making they are not worth it especially when you can get an emu from RHD delivered to your door for €660 but then thats just my personal opinion and have no experience with plug and play units. If you want the absolute perfect map for your particular setup then a standalone is the only way to go but if you want a simple and easy way of gaining more power then the plug and play route is more than fine
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JasonGlanza
Lifer
everybody agrees with the gd points williamcarroll1982 and waglanzav said!
lol, i looked at one of the local lads map on the emanage that some one done in north(i nearly sure it was you) and it was set as yaris on the emanage and the timing map had values of 0 all over it, it was still running stock timing, so it was only fueling sorted(it was fueling very good in fairnes), but how do you justify spending all that money just to raise the fueling? i mean self learning will do same trick and even more with costing les even at 600 pounds
Texx
Super Moderator
Just an observation, but there seems to be a significant number of people posting in this thread saying how wonderful their pnp ECU performs and not so many saying they've used one and it was crap and caused their engine to fail. Regardless of their monetary value, there appears to be a clear indication as to why some people choose to use pnp ECU's, it then comes down to supply and demand. When the demand for pnp ECU's is high and the supply is thin, the resale value of these pnp ECU's will be kept at a premium.
If pnp ECU's were such rubbish then hardly anyone would be using them and the people that did would have their cars led up with blown engines. That's obviously not the case. These ECU's do what they do, you pay your money and take your chances, as I see it that's no different from paying your money and taking your chances with someone that's going to map your standalone or piggyback ECU.
If pnp ECU's were such rubbish then hardly anyone would be using them and the people that did would have their cars led up with blown engines. That's obviously not the case. These ECU's do what they do, you pay your money and take your chances, as I see it that's no different from paying your money and taking your chances with someone that's going to map your standalone or piggyback ECU.
What i want to know is,how come knowbody across here has tried to hack these ecu's?
They wont be locked,and if the likes of Mines Jam etc can recalibrate them,then surely a electronics boffin hear could do the same.
Anyone hear good with the electronics? :haha:
Also just for the record,in my opinion my bros car went alot better with the Mines ecu @ 1.2.bar than it has with any map on his Emu or PFC.
Me preferably would have a fully mappable ecu just for safetys sake.Wouldnt want to spend your hard earned just to have it blow up with a stab in the dark ecu.
Murray
They wont be locked,and if the likes of Mines Jam etc can recalibrate them,then surely a electronics boffin hear could do the same.
Anyone hear good with the electronics? :haha:
Also just for the record,in my opinion my bros car went alot better with the Mines ecu @ 1.2.bar than it has with any map on his Emu or PFC.
Me preferably would have a fully mappable ecu just for safetys sake.Wouldnt want to spend your hard earned just to have it blow up with a stab in the dark ecu.
Murray
Sheldon
Malta Area Rep.
we are not saying they are not good. they are good for SOME setups.. as you said they CAN work fine... we are saying they are not worth 600gbp or like waglanzav said.. 800!!! thats just mad money for something that CAN work... what the fuck would you do if it was not any good for your setup?? for example ehab over here always breaking engine with a mines ecu.. and mines are said to be one of the best for PNP ecus.
to get a PNP and fine tune it... might aswell get a good pigyback and fine tune your stock ecu!
Ted
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my last jam ecu was great or so i thought. i got a pfc fcon and had it mapped at a bar just like i was running the jam ecu. car always felt faster on the jam.
reason for that was it advanced timing a bit too much. i had the fuelling checked but didnt check for det.
cracked a ringland despite using bp super. guess they were mapped for 100-101 ron in japan so shouldnt be too surprised.
i think they do a job but 300quid would be the limit i would pay for one. i cringe when they come up for sale at 550 quid as if they are comparable to a standalone. in the next few weeks myself and chris will be showing what can be done for 500 quid plus mapping on a standalone with launch control/flat shift and switchable maps/nos control capabilities.
reason for that was it advanced timing a bit too much. i had the fuelling checked but didnt check for det.
cracked a ringland despite using bp super. guess they were mapped for 100-101 ron in japan so shouldnt be too surprised.
i think they do a job but 300quid would be the limit i would pay for one. i cringe when they come up for sale at 550 quid as if they are comparable to a standalone. in the next few weeks myself and chris will be showing what can be done for 500 quid plus mapping on a standalone with launch control/flat shift and switchable maps/nos control capabilities.